A psychological test

[Lillen]

Do you agree that according to creation God created the world with all it's inhabitants!?

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

Is this a reference to the religious nature of certain 'mental health' tests in the army?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you agree that according to creation God created the world with all it's inhabitants!?

Yes -- if by 'all its inhabitants', you mean Adam & Eve.

 

[Lillen]

No i am just curious, do you agree that according to creation, God created the world!?

 

[AV1611VET]

No i am just curious, do you agree that according to creation, God created the world!?

Yes --

 

[Lillen]

The thing i am trying to point out from all you fundy scientists is if you can look from another perspective - Do you agree that according to creation God created the world?

 

[Davian]

Fundy? Isn't that in New Brunswick, Canada?

link

 

[Lillen]

I know that according to evolution we evolve and all have a common ancestor from whom we evolved!

Do you know that according to creation God created the world?

 

[Thobewill]

Well, duh.

 

[Lillen]

So there are no objections! According to creation God created the world! If you can adress to the bible without believeing it, Why do you see us Christians as ignorant and unenlightened even though we can adress to evolution without believing it?

 

[AV1611VET]

So there are no objections! According to creation God created the world! If you can adress to the bible without believeing it, Why do you see us Christians as ignorant and unenlightened even though we can adress to evolution without believing it?

I'm guessing here, since I'm not an atheist or a scientist, but I'm guessing that they think that someone who believes the Bible cannot achieve his full potential, because the Bible clouds his thinking, and he cannot go as far as one who doesn't believe in the Bible.

 

[Lillen]

But they can adress/reffer to it!?

Do you agree that according to those with a clue, thought it was obious, that according to creation God created the world?

 

[MoonLancer]

So there are no objections! According to creation God created the world! If you can adress to the bible without believeing it, Why do you see us Christians as ignorant and unenlightened even though we can adress to evolution without believing it?

Many creationists CANT address evolution. They don't understand the science and naturalistic principles behind it. They don't understand the research or evidences or the facts. Many times they don't even understand how logic and reason work.

However in the reverse, There is nothing to understand about the bible from a religious perspective. There is no more knowledge then whats on the page. Ether you believe it or you don't. There is nothing to understand or comprehend. Its all faith.

Now i think there is a lot to understand about the bible from a academic theological point of view, but that doesn't bring one any closer to understanding from a religious perspective. After all no one believes the bible based on its academic theological understanding. Ether they believed the bible before hand or they didn't.

Faith has nothing to do with understanding.

 

[Lillen]

But you still agree, that according to creation God created the world!? You can adress to it without believeing it? No not?

You can use the phrases, "According to the bible" and "The bibles says" or can't you? Do you know what the bible says? Can you adress to christians belief? Just like christians can adress to your belief?!

 

[Davian]

So there are no objections! According to creation God created the world! If you can adress to the bible without believeing it, Why do you see us Christians as ignorant and unenlightened even though we can adress to evolution without believing it?

I'm guessing here, since I'm not an atheist or a scientist, but I'm guessing that they think that someone who believes the Bible cannot achieve his full potential, because the Bible clouds his thinking, and he cannot go as far as one who doesn't believe in the Bible.

Inan3 threw this gem at me a while back:

I like the way this version puts verse 19 because it shows God's not looking for your intelligence and how smart you are... He's only looking for you.

1Co 1:19 Scripture says, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise. I will reject the intelligence of intelligent people."

1Co 1:20 So then, where does that leave the wise? or the scholars? or the skillful debaters of this world? God has shown that this world's wisdom is foolishness!

That really doesn't shout "do well at school, kids!"

 

[AV1611VET]

But you still agree, that according to creation God created the world!? You can adress to it without believeing it? No not?

You can use the phrases, "According to the bible" and "The bibles says" or can't you?

Just out of curiosity, Lillen -- and it's not of my business -- but you're a Swede living in Sweden, yet you are U.S. Republican?

 

[AV1611VET]

Inan3 threw this gem at me a while back:

That really doesn't shout "do well at school, kids!"

If you want to claim that you're a Homo sapiens, then don't complain when God says:

I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

Go ahead -- call yourself a "wise man" w/o having to travel a thousand miles through hostile territory to lay a gift at the Saviour's feet.

But, as I said, don't complain when your [worldly] wisdom is challenged by the Scriptures and brought to nought.

 

[MoonLancer]

But you still agree, that according to creation God created the world!? You can adress to it without believeing it? No not?

You can use the phrases, "According to the bible" and "The bibles says" or can't you? Do you know what the bible says? Can you adress to christians belief? Just like christians can adress to your belief?!

I can address what many Christians believe on a fundamental level, yes. although there really is nothing to understand. However beyond simply giving a definition of evolution, many creationists cannot address evolution with regard to actually understanding how it works.

Now please address the point i have made in these two posts.

 

[LOCO]

Many creationists CANT address evolution. They don't understand the science and naturalistic principles behind it. They don't understand the research or evidences or the facts. Many times they don't even understand how logic and reason work.

However in the reverse, There is nothing to understand about the bible from a religious perspective. There is no more knowledge then whats on the page. Ether you believe it or you don't. There is nothing to understand or comprehend. Its all faith.

Now i think there is a lot to understand about the bible from a academic theological point of view, but that doesn't bring one any closer to understanding from a religious perspective. After all no one believes the bible based on its academic theological understanding. Ether they believed the bible before hand or they didn't.

Faith has nothing to do with understanding.

Just a sidebar, not all Christians believe in the creationist story.

From the Catholic perspective, we have the freedom to believe the creation story or evolutionary science (some restrictions withholding which are discussed below). Believing in either is not a requirement of the faith or salvation.

Concerning cosmological evolution, the Church has infallibly defined that the universe was specially created out of nothing. Vatican I solemnly defined that everyone must "confess the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, as regards their whole substance, have been produced by God from nothing" (Canons on God the Creator of All Things, canon 5).

The Church does not have an official position on whether the stars, nebulae, and planets we see today were created at that time or whether they developed over time (for example, in the aftermath of the Big Bang theory (developed by a Priest) that modern cosmologists discuss. However, the Church would maintain that, if the stars and planets did develop over time, this still ultimately must be attributed to God and his plan, for Scripture records: "By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all their host [stars, nebulae, planets] by the breath of his mouth" (Ps. 33:6).

Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him.

Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are.

While the Church permits belief in either special creation or developmental creation on certain questions, it in no circumstances permits belief in atheistic evolution.

As the Catechism puts it, "Methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of the faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are" (CCC 159).

 

[MoonLancer]

Just a sidebar, not all Christians believe in the creationist story.

Yup. I sometimes accidentally use the term christian, when i mean creationist, but in my post i think i used both words correctly. In my post I addressed evolution and creation as the original poster seems to be separating them as opposites.

From the Catholic perspective, we have the freedom to believe the creation story or evolutionary science. Believing in either is not a requirement of the faith or salvation.

What do you believe?

Concerning cosmological evolution...

thanks for the history lesson [for real]

I think the church has made these types of concessions to avoid another Martin Luther, giving people more freedom in an effort to avoid conflict.