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Interesting-except the part about the Bible, I don't think the Orthodox think the Bible is just the product of human authors, do they? It's almost like it was edited to be taken out of context, or is my understanding of What Father Chris said wrong?(I realize that he was trying to say the Church assembled the Bible during the council of Nicea but the typical Protestant watching this who doesn't even know what the councils are are not going to get this.)
This part was shortened and not explained well.
Yes Luther was not fond of the book of James or even Revelation for that matter, as I have read.
Interesting-except the part about the Bible, I don't think the Orthodox think the Bible is just the product of human authors, do they? It's almost like it was edited to be taken out of context, or is my understanding of What Father Chris said wrong?(I realize that he was trying to say the Church assembled the Bible during the council of Nicea but the typical Protestant watching this who doesn't even know what the councils are are not going to get this.)
This part was shortened and not explained well.
Sadly true. So lame.Orthodox seminaries in the US teach higher criticism, among other tools. Orthodox priests education and attitudes about the Bible are not necesasrily that different from modern Catholics or mainline Protestants.
I was wondering about that. I do know that mainline Protestants denominations teach higher criticism I wasn't so sure about either Roman Catholicism or the Eastern Orthodox.Orthodox seminaries in the US teach higher criticism, among other tools. Orthodox priests education and attitudes about the Bible are not necesasrily that different from modern Catholics or mainline Protestants.
Okay, cool.
I have to be careful with memories about Luther, because growing up Catholic, a lot of slanderous things about him has been taught to me - like claiming Luther claimed Jesus was an adulterer - and I have to make sure I'm teaching fact from falsehood.
But anyways, I think the point Father was making in the video was that the Bible wasn't given to the Apostles by Angels in a dream - rather, they were explicitly declared official by the Church by various Bishops.
It was the Church that legitimized the Bible, not the Bible that legitimized the Church.
I was wondering about that. I do know that mainline Protestants denominations teach higher criticism I wasn't so sure about either Roman Catholicism or the Eastern Orthodox.
I don't believe that's correct - that the Bible was "assembled at Nicaea" - that's an idea propagated by Evangelicals who claim that Constantine "created a new religion" and "paganized Christianity," despite the fact that the same evangelicals are literally creating a new religion based on their 19th century onward Western understanding of documents thousands of years old, said documents made legitimate after Constantine supposedly created his new religion.
In reality, the Old Testament was simply taken from 2nd Temple Judaism, and several local councils of the Churches in various regions declared what was Canonical and what wasn't in the New Testament around the 4th century (I know that the "Council of Hippo" declared a list for the North African Churches, as did the "Council of Rome" under Pope Saint Damasus for the Roman Church - I can't name Eastern Councils off the top of my head), coming to more or less similar conclusions of what was canonical - and the increased communications between these local Churches led to a more definitive list of what New Testament books were, in fact, inspired.
From what I remember - I could be wrong - the Eastern Churches didn't even initially accept the Apocalypse of John as canonical, while Rome did, and Rome didn't accept one of the New Testament Epistles as canonical, while the Eastern Churches did - although eventually, both sides would accept both as canonical.
A Western list would be dogmatized by Rome post-schism, and the Bible Protestants use was formulated by Martin Luther, who wanted to remove "superstitious" Jewish books from the Bible like Tobit. I believe he also even wanted to initially remove the Book of James, because it contradicted his Sola Fida theology, but it wasn't accepted as legitimate by his followers, so they kept James.