A political hypothetical

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Yep. LBJ sent it to Congress, and the democrat leadership got it passed. Every southern republican, and some northern republicans voted against it.
My friend, you can try to re-write history, you cannot re-write math. Over 80% of Republicans voted for, and less than 70% of Democrats voted for. Time magazine put Republican Senator Dirksen on it's cover for being the one who finally got the bill passed over Democrat opposition.
 
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My friend, you can try to re-write history, you cannot re-write math.

You're trying though. All northern democrats voted for it. Only a few southern democrats voted for it. Most Northern republicans voted for it. No southern republicans voted for it.

Lyndon Johnson introduced the bill, and was able to get it passed. And yes, while many liberal and moderate republicans supported it, conservative republicans did not. Barry Goldwater, for example refused to support it, but many liberal republicans did. The coalition of liberal and moderate democrats and liberal and moderat republicans got the bill passed over conservative opposition.

Kennedy was assassinated that November in Dallas, after which new President Lyndon B. Johnson immediately took up the cause.

“Let this session of Congress be known as the session which did more for civil rights than the last hundred sessions combined,” Johnson said in his first State of the Union address. During debate on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, southerners argued, among other things, that the bill unconstitutionally usurped individual liberties and states’ rights.

Having broken the filibuster, the Senate voted 73-27 in favor of the bill, and Johnson signed it into law on July 2, 1964. “It is an important gain, but I think we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come,” Johnson, a Democrat, purportedly told an aide later that day in a prediction that would largely come true.

https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/civil-rights-act

LBJ accurately predicted that conservative democrats would join the republican party as a result. And they did. The once solidly democrat south became solidly republican. And at the same time, liberals and moderates abandoned the republican party as it became increasingly conservative and racist.

This is how the republican party became the party of white nationalists and KKK today.
 
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You're trying though. All northern democrats voted for it. Only a few southern democrats voted for it. Most Northern republicans voted for it. No southern republicans voted for it.

Lyndon Johnson introduced the bill, and was able to get it passed. And yes, while many liberal and moderate republicans supported it, conservative republicans did not. Barry Goldwater, for example refused to support it, but many liberal republicans did. The coalition of liberal and moderate democrats and liberal and moderat republicans got the bill passed over conservative opposition.

Kennedy was assassinated that November in Dallas, after which new President Lyndon B. Johnson immediately took up the cause.

“Let this session of Congress be known as the session which did more for civil rights than the last hundred sessions combined,” Johnson said in his first State of the Union address. During debate on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, southerners argued, among other things, that the bill unconstitutionally usurped individual liberties and states’ rights.

Having broken the filibuster, the Senate voted 73-27 in favor of the bill, and Johnson signed it into law on July 2, 1964. “It is an important gain, but I think we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come,” Johnson, a Democrat, purportedly told an aide later that day in a prediction that would largely come true.

https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/civil-rights-act

LBJ accurately predicted that conservative democrats would join the republican party as a result. And they did. The once solidly democrat south became solidly republican. And at the same time, liberals and moderates abandoned the republican party as it became increasingly conservative and racist.
You can add all the adjectives like "northern/southern", "liberal/conservative" to try to spin it. It changes nothing, and the more you know the historical differences between the parties, the more you know the truth.
This is how the republican party became the party of white nationalists and KKK today.
This is a vile lie which you cannot substantiate, and you probably ought to edit that sentence out before someone reports it.
 
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You can add all the adjectives like "northern/southern", "liberal/conservative" to try to spin it.

There's really no way for you to spin it differently. The Civil Rights bill, introduced by President Lyndon Johnson, was a watershed for the country. Liberals and moderates of both parties voted for it. Conservatives of both parties voted against it. Not surprisingly, most southern democrats, and all southern republicans voted against it. As you know, that led to a realignment, with most southern democrats moving to the republican party and most liberal and moderate republicans becoming democrats.

The more you know the historical differences between the parties, the more you know the truth.

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This is how the republican party became the party of white nationalists and KKK today.

This is a vile lie which you cannot substantiate

Why we voted for Donald Trump": David Duke explains the white supremacist Charlottesville protests
ut Duke was an enthusiastic supporter of Trump as far back as the Republican primary in 2016, and Trump’s reluctance to disavow that support was, briefly, a big issue.

Duke has remained a faithful Trump supporter since then, insisting that the president-elect’s policies line up with the former KKK leader’s vision for America.
"Why we voted for Donald Trump": David Duke explains the white supremacist Charlottesville protests

'Hail Trump!': White Nationalists Salute the President-Elect
Video of an alt-right conference in Washington, D.C., where Trump’s victory was met with cheers and Nazi salutes.
White Nationalists Salute the President-Elect: 'Hail Trump!' - The Atlantic

Ku Klux Klan announces Donald Trump victory parade as white supremacists celebrate nationwide
The Ku Klux Klan announced it will host a victory parade in a North Carolina town in celebration of Donald Trump’s win, bringing white nationalism and the alt-right movement to mainstream politics.
Ku Klux Klan announces Donald Trump victory parade


and you probably ought to edit that sentence out before someone reports it.

Here you go...
 
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There's really no way for you to spin it differently. The Civil Rights bill, introduced by President Lyndon Johnson, was a watershed for the country. Liberals and moderates of both parties voted for it. Conservatives of both parties voted against it. Not surprisingly, most southern democrats, and all southern republicans voted against it. As you know, that led to a realignment, with most southern democrats moving to the republican party and most liberal and moderate republicans becoming democrats.

You keep mentioning LBJ as the hero of the story, who only became president because the son of an anti-Semetic Hitler sycophant chose him to help capture the racist South. We know why LBJ pushed for the Civil Rights Act, which he referred to as "the nig_er bill":

"These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again."

"I'll have those nig_ers voting Democratic for 200 years."

Why we voted for Donald Trump": David Duke explains the white supremacist Charlottesville protests
ut Duke was an enthusiastic supporter of Trump as far back as the Republican primary in 2016, and Trump’s reluctance to disavow that support was, briefly, a big issue.

Duke has remained a faithful Trump supporter since then, insisting that the president-elect’s policies line up with the former KKK leader’s vision for America.
"Why we voted for Donald Trump": David Duke explains the white supremacist Charlottesville protests

'Hail Trump!': White Nationalists Salute the President-Elect
Video of an alt-right conference in Washington, D.C., where Trump’s victory was met with cheers and Nazi salutes.
White Nationalists Salute the President-Elect: 'Hail Trump!' - The Atlantic

Ku Klux Klan announces Donald Trump victory parade as white supremacists celebrate nationwide
The Ku Klux Klan announced it will host a victory parade in a North Carolina town in celebration of Donald Trump’s win, bringing white nationalism and the alt-right movement to mainstream politics.
Ku Klux Klan announces Donald Trump victory parade

Trump is your guy. A lifelong New York liberal Democrat who changed his voter registration to opportunistically run for president as a Republican. Just as with LBJ, the Left loves power over principles.
 
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You keep mentioning LBJ as the hero of the story, who only became president because the son of an anti-Semetic Hitler sycophant chose him to help capture the racist South. We know why LBJ pushed for the Civil Rights Act, which he referred to as "the nig_er bill":

"These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again."

"I'll have those nig_ers voting Democratic for 200 years."


Checkable source? No, I didn't think so. For obvious reasons. You probably didn't know that LBJ was the one who initiated the Civil Rights Act, and you clearly didn't know that the backing of that bill by Northern democrats, moderate republicans, and a few southern democrats was why the south turned republican. Learn from it and go on.​

Trump is your guy.

Trump is this guy's guy:
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A Klan organizer, a neo-nazi, a republican parish chairman, and a Donald Trump supporter.
 
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If you showed up at one these political demonstrations carrying a sign saying:

I DEMAND CALM AND REASONABLE DISCUSSION!!

Which side would be most likely to beat you to death?


Having observed several "protestors" from both sides, I submit the radical left, especially the domestic terrorist group known as Antifa
 
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Yep. LBJ sent it to Congress, and the democrat leadership got it passed. Every southern republican, and some northern republicans voted against it.

LBJ signed it into law.

Later on, Nixon saw his chance. In the words of his political advisor, Kevin Philips:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
Southern strategy - Wikipedia
Very helpful quote.
 
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Checkable source? No, I didn't think so. For obvious reasons. You probably didn't know that LBJ was the one who initiated the Civil Rights Act, and you clearly didn't know that the backing of that bill by Northern democrats, moderate republicans, and a few southern democrats was why the south turned republican. Learn from it and go on.​



Trump is this guy's guy:
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A Klan organizer, a neo-nazi, a republican parish chairman, and a Donald Trump supporter.


The KKK was organized and began by the Democrats.
 
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If you showed up at one these political demonstrations carrying a sign saying:

I DEMAND CALM AND REASONABLE DISCUSSION!!

Which side would be most likely to beat you to death?
Most likely neither, unless you shoved it in their face and scream obscenities at them. :)
 
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Hmm, that's a tough one. Let me try and logic it out.

1. Beating someone is a crime.
2. Only criminals wear masks to cover their faces in public.

I'm gonna says it's the side with their faces covered.
That would be Kluckers and Antifa. Both sides???
 
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About 54% of KKK members, based on available data about the behavior of uneducated rural whites.
Okay, I searched the term Klucker, and apparently it means someone who's inbred? But I'm not sure what your racism and elitism has to do with this thread topic.
 
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Okay, I searched the term Klucker, and apparently it means someone who's inbred?

Not exactly, but close. A lot of stereotypes about "rednecks" are false. However, the high rate of divorce among poor white evangelicals is true. And there's a reason for it.

But I'm not sure what your racism

They don't do it because they are white; they do it because of their culture. Why do you guys always want it to be about race?

and elitism has to do with this thread topic.

There are lots of poor, uneducated white people who conduct themselves honorably. Unless you mean "decent behavior" when you say "elitism", you're way off base on that one.
 
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Not exactly, but close. A lot of stereotypes about "rednecks" are false. However, the high rate of divorce among poor white evangelicals is true. And there's a reason for it.
Could you be more specific? What are you even talking about even?
They don't do it because they are white; they do it because of their culture. Why do you guys always want it to be about race?
Again, what are you talking about? Who doesn't do what because they're white? Inbreeding, or what?
There are lots of poor, uneducated white people who conduct themselves honorably. Unless you mean "decent behavior" when you say "elitism", you're way off base on that one.
I'm talking about your mention of some unspecified behavior of "uneducated rural whites".
 
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Spell check. I saw that it did that the first time, corrected and it did it a 2nd time, which I failed to catch. Ku Klux Klan.
Ya, I was just messin' with you. To answer your question - no, just Antifa. I've never really heard of the KKK engaging in behavior like that.
 
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