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A PLAN TO DESTROY AMERICA ... and beyond

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Ronald, Nov 27, 2017.

  1. Ronald

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    The following story is true, (which has been around for a while)

    Gov. Dick Lamm’s speech at an 2004 “Immigration Overpopulation Conference” in Washington D.C. with Professor Victor Hansen Davis, author of “Mexifornia”, who commented on his book saying, “Immigration is destroying California, it will march across the country until it destroys America”

    EIGHT WAYS BY Dick Lamm (although many other ways have been implemented as well)


    "1. Turn it into a Bi-lingual or multi-lingual country. History shows that no country can survive this tension.

    Scholar Seymour Lipset said, “The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.” Canada, Begium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed and ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims.

    2. Invent Mult-culturalism, encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

    3. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricy and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, 'I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.'

    4. I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, un-assimilated, under-educated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.'

    5. Get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology...' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority.'

    6. Include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precept. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. 'E. Pluribus Unum' -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will 'Balkanize' America as surely as Kosovo.'

    7. I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multi-culturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them.'

    8. In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally, he said, 'Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

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    Following commentary reporter unknown:
    "There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book '1984.' In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: 'War is peace,' 'Freedom is slavery,' and 'Ignorance is strength.'


    Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream."
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    QUESTIONS:
    Does anyone disagree that this is happening in the U.S. and why?

    Can we honestly identify this as a socialist movement?

    Do we see this happening in other countries?

    Finally, is this the plan of the U.N. to gradually remove each countries sovereignty, redistribute wealth and eventually create a "Utopian" One World Government with the idea that then and only then can we have world peace, solve world hunger, where everyone has the same and we all get along and live happily ever after?
     
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  2. brinny

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    1984, anyone?
     
  3. AirPo

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    Of course it's true, you can't put it on the internet if it's not true. And I'm a French model. Bonjour.
     
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  4. Aryeh Jay

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    It actually is true. C'est la vie.
     
  5. Desk trauma

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    ITs true that the speech was given, the rest...eh.
     
  6. Rion

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    Between this and ramblings about the patriarchy, I'd say the conspiracy sub is leaking again.
     
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  7. Desk trauma

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    It's like a flat roof really, the only question is how much its going to leak not if.
     
  8. com7fy8

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    There has been division, even since before the U.S. became independent. A lot of earlier division was among groups claiming to be Christian. It is well-known how certain church members would not even talk to members of other churches. And for a while there was a major conflict between Roman Catholic and certain mainstream Protestant groups.

    There is clearly already division between political groups, to the extent that government people often can not get things done right.

    But this is not a problem of policy, but how people want their own way. And individuals do not want the same things. In the United States . . . more or less . . . because each individual has democratic rights and a vote, each one can be one's own dictator, more or less conflicting with all other Americans, including by competing to get what is mainly for one's own self, and not really for sharing, even in one's own family. So, democracy in the United States is more or less a pan-dictatorship, each citizen being one's own dictator, with a vote and rights or developing to have these.

    I would say that socialists are not busy visiting people south of the Rio Grande, in order to encourage them to hire a human trafficker to get them across the border. A lot of individuals might be trying to cross, simply in order to help their families at home. However, socialists might try to highjack that situation for socialist purposes . . . while possibly nonsocialist vote seekers might also be trying to use the border crossers in order to get votes, in one way or another.

    I'm not informed enough to say. Also, it is possible that people claiming to be experts can adjust information to fit with what they want people to think. Multi-cultural activity can be pretty complicated, and involving humans; so it might not be what experts are able to figure out.

    For a rough example > if people of a different language move into an area, ones can help to cause division, by refusing to learn the language of the new people. Or, they can learn the language and enjoy discovering and loving the new residents. But, if they in their own nature are already divided from the different people, then the resulting division is not because of new people arriving, but because the original people have a conceit problem.

    And then socialists or others can highjack that situation.

    But U.N. people are citizens of various countries, of countries ones are claiming they want to de-sovereignize.

    Communists want to take over the world. Muslims want to take over the world. Terrorists want to take over the world. People claiming democracy want to spread democracy everywhere. Capitalists and stock investors might want to have unity so they can operate freely to take advantage of each and every opportunity.

    So . . . socialists might want to homogenize the world; but may be the capitalists are the ones, really, who want this so they can highjack socialist accomplishments :)
     
  9. brinny

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    This comes to mind:

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  10. com7fy8

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    Well, we have multi-cultural churches in the United States. It seems that these can be very blessed. They might have bilingual sermons . . . a person translating as the other preaches in a certain language. But they do have a common way of communicating.

    And I note how Joseph Prince speaks English in Singapore. I don't know if English is the main language there. But, though he is in an Asian area, his ministry has been able to go to different places, using English. But he and his congregation are mainly not white, yet quite able to reach and share with non-Asian people.

    So, if people are not stuck on their racial identity, but are interested in God and His language . . . this can work :) So, if we know how to relate in love, we can be diverse and united.

    So, I consider, the main problem of not having unity is not having people of different races and groups and languages, but people not knowing how to love. And not knowing how to love can work in many ways . . . including by secular socialism, or a democracy-bred pan-dictatorship with every one being even one's own dictator and sovereign country, in a way, more or less.
     
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  11. Roseonathorn

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    Any country that is bilingual learn well in the future, their peoples brain pick up other languages easier as well. Most cultures bring something good with them as well, not only death and destruction, it could be a healthy way of eating for instance, natural beautyproducts or similar, but I would say that when You immigrate You should learn the new countries ways and language and learn to tolerate the new countries behaviour and way to dress, else You will not adapt well. if parents come from two different countries It is understandable that the child gets dual citizenship since people split up and move back home and the countries start the fight on where the child belongs, both parents are just as much parent and should have equal rights if they can behave like humans. The word racist is rather in minority, since every countries rasists also hate every other contries rasists at least if You ask a rasist. If the rasist travel abroad and says that He is a rasist then someoneelse there also a rasist is upset at Him since He is a foreigner. See. They usually do not get along.
     
  12. Belk

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    When point #1 is so obviously wrong I wouldn't even bother with the rest of this.

    This is just the Americas.

    List of multilingual countries and regions - Wikipedia

    • Argentina has several ethnic communities of European (esp. the Welsh language in Patagonia), Asian and indigenous origins (the Andean and northeast regions), who speak their own languages,[specify] but Spanish is the sole official language of the country.
    • Aruba: Papiamento and Dutch are the official languages, with Spanish and English also widely spoken. All four languages are taught in schools.[41]
    • Belize: English, Spanish and Mayan languages have some official usage[citation needed], although the legacy of British rule emphasised English to be most commonly used for official purposes though the majority are Hispanophone.
    • Bolivia is officially multilingual, supporting Spanish and 36 native languages.[42]
    • Brazil, Portuguese (official) and upwards to 100 languages spoken mainly in the urban areas (European and Asian) and indigenous languages in the Amazon. The use of indigenous languages in primary education is enshrined in the constitution.[43]
    [45] [46]

    • Canada is officially bilingual under the Official Languages Act and the Constitution of Canada that require the federal government to deliver services in both official languages. As well, minority language rights are guaranteed where numbers warrant. 56.9% of the population speak English as their first language while 22.9% are native speakers of French. The remaining population belong to some of Canada's many immigrant populations or to the indigenous population. See Bilingualism in Canada
    • Caribbean Netherlands — Dutch (overall), English (Sint Eustatius and Saba) and Papiamentu (Bonaire)[54]
    • Chile uses de facto Spanish as official language, but there are not an act that declares officiality. The Indigenous Act ratified in 1992 permites the official usage of four indigenous languages: Aimara, Mapudungun, Quechua and Rapa Nui (Easter Island in Polynesia) inside the indigenous communities and areas with high native population density.[55] In the southern portion, there is a sizable but bilingual German-speaking population.
    • Colombia The official language is Spanish. Languages of ethnic groups are official in their territories.[56]
      English is co-official in San Andres and Providencia.[57]
    • CuraçaoPapiamento, Dutch and English are official languages.[58]
    • Ecuador defines Spanish as its official language, but Spanish, Quechua and Shuar — as official languages of intercultural relations in the Article 2 of the 2008 Constitution.[59]
    • In Guatemala, the official language is Spanish, however, there are 23[citation needed] distinct Mayan languages. Maya, Garifuna and Xincan languages are recognized to be essential elements of the national identity.[60]
    • Guyana, English (official), Hindi, Chinese, indigenous languages, and a small Portuguese-speaking community. The Amerindian Act orders the National Toshaos Council to promote the recognition and use of Amerindian languages.[61]
    • Haiti: Creole and French[62]
    • Honduras: Spanish is the official language, despite Afro-Caribbean English, Garifuna and indigenous languages can be found in the rural outskirts of the country.
    • Mexico: The government recognizes 62 indigenous languages[citation needed], including Nahuatl spoken by more than 1.5 million people and Aquacatec spoken by 27 people, along with Spanish. Indigenous languages are recognised as national languages in areas where they are spoken[63] There is no official language at the federal level, although Spanish is the de facto state language.
      • In Yucatán, Yucatec Maya language is recognised in state constitution[64]
      • In Oaxaca state constitution, 15 indigenous communities are listed. Certain use of their languages in education and court proceedings is provided for.[65]
      • In Campeche state constitution, use of indigenous languages in courts and teaching them in schools are provided for[66]
      • In Quintana Roo state constitution, use of indigenous languages in courts and education is provided for; also, the laws are to be published in Maya language[67]
      • In Chihuahua state constitution, use of indigenous languages in courts, education, health care and government-disseminated information is provided for[68]
      • In Chiapas state constitution, use of indigenous languages in courts and education is provided for[69]
    • In Nicaragua, even while Spanish is the official language spoken broadwide (almost 95%, according to some sources[citation needed]), there are other de facto languages such as Creole, Miskitu, Rama and Mayangna (Sumu) in their own linguistic communities. According to the Constitution, the languages of the Atlantic Coasts should be used officially in cases established by law.[70]
    • Paraguay, 48% of its population is bilingual[citation needed] in Guaraní and Spanish (both official languages of the Republic[71]), of whom 37% speak only Guaraní and 8% only Spanish but the latter increases with the use of Jopará. There is a large Mennonite German colony in the Gran Chaco region as well.[citation needed]
    • Peru's official languages are Spanish and, in the zones where they are predominant, Quechua, Aymara, and other aboriginal languages.[72][73] In addition to that, in Peru there is a large community of immigrants, of which few keep their languages. Within those, there are the Japanese and the Chinese (Cantonese dialect), for example and in smaller numbers, the Germans (central Andes), Italian, the Arabic speakers, and the Urdu speakers retain their native languages in Peru. The last two are products of the recent wave of immigrants from Palestine and Pakistan. Lately also have much influence is the English by the number of tourists and American and British residents.
    • Puerto Rico's official languages[74] and languages of legislature[75] are Spanish and English, yet 85 percent of its inhabitants reported that they did not speak English "very well."[citation needed]
    • In Suriname, Dutch, Sranan, and English are spoken by almost everyone.[citation needed] In addition, Chinese and various Indian languages are spoken.
    • In the United States, at the federal level, there is no official language, although there have been efforts to make English the official language. Use of several languages in electoral process under certain circumstances is provided for by federal law, including Spanish in the whole states of Florida, California and Texas.[76]
    • Trinidad and Tobago - in the predominantly Creole-speaking country where English is official, Spanish is being introduced as the second language of bilingual traffic signs[98] and generally the "first foreign language"[99]
    • Uruguay has a large Italian-speaking minority also proficient in Spanish. Its border with Brazil has a mixed Portuguese-speaking presence.[citation needed]
    • Venezuela has declared Spanish the official language, while there are some European and Arabic languages spoken in urban areas, Caribbean English dialects in the Caribbean and indigenous languages spoken in the Guayana department. The use of native languages also has official status for native peoples[100]
     
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  13. faroukfarouk

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    Up here, Canada is a bilingual country; Montreal - once Canada's largest city - is particularly bilingual; so is the province of New Brunswick; what is now Canada's largest city is Toronto, known as the most racially diverse city in the world - with the consequent multiplicity of languages also; in fact, among Toronto residents, more of them were born outside Canada than were born in Canada.
    Up here we need neither white supremacism nor English-only censors.

    The British Home Secretary said some years ago that maintaining bilingualism in the home was 'bedevil(ling) schizophrenia'; frankly this is dangerous nonsense.

    My wife and I read a Bible in French together.
     
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  14. com7fy8

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    Jesus wants us to love any and all others as ourselves; so how could I not be learning at least a little bit of any other language . . . at least enough to say things like, "God bless you", "Jesus is the Lord of all", and maybe memorize a Bible verse which says something to bless someone in one's own language.

    I have Spanish and Portuguese Bibles, and with time I have become a little bit conversational in Spanish, just by looking up verses and sharing with Spanish Christians and saying hi to Hispanic workers here and there.

    Our Apostle Paul says, "I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some > 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. So, to me this means our Apostle Paul as our example would do what he could to relate with people at their level, including learning to speak to them in their language, as much as he could.
     
  15. faroukfarouk

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    Well, exactly.

    I knew a preacher who visited a local church in a multicultural neighbourhood who asked about the local church's relations with the neighbours. The preacher got the reply: "Oh, they don't give us any trouble." Umm... isn't the church supposed to be here to witness, to shine a light for the Lord Jesus to a world which needs His love? I can just imagine a dialogue at the Judgment Seat of Christ: "I managed successfully to maintain my comfort in white supremacy and monolingualism!"
     
  16. Roseonathorn

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    I am probably the most undereducated here in this forum since I communicate in english which is the third language I learned. I have only learned four languages well enough to live in the countries where they are spoken but I still struggle most with the language that most speak in my own country since I was born to parents that speak swedish. We have a swedish minority in Finland at the coast, with swedish schools so it is not like we meet many finnishspeakers on our sparetime as kids. It should not be that way, but it still is that way since the languages are so different from each other, almost as russian and american.
     
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    You can add continental Europe to that list. I think the folks living in central Europe and Scandinavia would look at you funny if you told them a country couldn't succeed while being multi-lingual.
     
  18. MarkHurste

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    True that! Just look at the blasted hellscape that is Finland! They are bilingual (Finnish and Swedish) and it's so horribly poor it's scary! Just look at the horrible state of their education system!

    ANd who in their right mind would live in Switzerland? There's another multilingual mess of a country barely able to survive!

    America should have started back in WW I.

    Imagine if back in the 1800's there had been entire towns in the USA where people spoke German. I wonder if America would be what it is today if THAT had happened!
     
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    On those terrifying occasions when I've been to Finland I always relied on the Swedish road signs because at least I could puzzle out what they were about.

    I think the true horror of Finland is that the people are so busy trying to remember to double every third letter in any given word that they can't focus on the terrifying social erosion due to the bilingual thing!

    Truly scary. And then there's the giant duck outside of Turku. I'm hoping Donald Trump builds a wall to keep out the Finns from America!
     
  20. Ronald

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    So then this scenario occurred in the fiction book, 1984? So, your answer, it's not reality, not happening. Gotcha. Thanks.
     
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  21. Ronald

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    Thanks for the list of countries where this plan has already been implemented and working, the U.N. ultimate plan to relinquish sovereignty of the countries is moving forward. Of course the U.S. has been the most difficult.
    Thank you for bringing more light to this disease.
     
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