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A Partial List of 7th Day Assemblies

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by HARK!, Dec 15, 2020.

  1. BobRyan

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    Good point.

    and met "every Sabbath" Acts 18:4 for Gospel preaching in the synagogues with both gentiles and Jews.
     
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  2. Studyman

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    I really enjoy your posts. They are thoughtful and considerate of the Scriptures.

    I would only add that there is no directive from God to "gather" in a Temple made of wood and stone, on any day. Israel didn't "Gather" in the cloth Temple which housed the Book of the Law and the Mercy Seat. In fact, only Levites were allowed past the Door of the tabernacle.

    Ex. 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

    The Sabbath of God was never about social gatherings. The whole "Sabbath is a day God Commanded to gather in worship" is a tradition of men, not a commandment from God.

    Duet. 12:5 But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come:

    6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:

    This place is said to be the Temple in Jerusalem that Solomon built, and later that the Jews built, and now it is widely taught that it is the millions of Shrines of Worship built by every religion, in every town on the planet

    But if you read God's word, here is what HE said about the only Temple of wood and stone HE ever sanctioned in the entire Bible.

    1 Kings 5:2 That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon.

    3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

    4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:

    5 Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

    6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:

    7 Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:

    So what happened to Solomon?

    1 Kings 11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;

    2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

    3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

    4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

    5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

    6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.

    9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,

    10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.

    11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.

    So God "cast this Temple from out of His Sight" as HE Promised. Yet the religious leaders of that time kept the Temple, continued to worship in it as if God was still there, and created an entire religious tradition around it.

    Jesus went there to reason with the Pharisees, but HE was just as content walking in Fellowship with His disciples through cornfields on God's Holy Sabbath, and teaching along a Lake of side of a mountain.

    The OP you started here was right on. Most of the religious philosophies followed by the religions of the land we are born into was created by religious men who were not following the Gospel of Christ, that is, the Gospel showed to the Children of Israel, that most refused to mix with "Belief".

    I think we all have the same test as Eve and Abraham. We have God's word and His Warnings and Promises. And we have the "other voice" who also quotes some of God's Word to deceive us into rejecting God's instruction, just as the other voice convinced Eve to reject God's instruction. Eve listened to the "other voice", Abraham didn't, Caleb Didn't. Joshua Didn't. Zacharias didn't.

    Very good topic, although difficult for many to discuss.

    "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
     
  3. safswan

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    Good day LGW,

    I hope to address some of your concerns below.You said:

    You are correct that this topic can be confusing and you have addressed issues that have caused much debate over time.For example the issue of which Sabbath is meant by:

    "And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it."(Leviticus 23:11)

    What is the reference point to this statement?Most say it is the first Sabbath of the feast of unleavened bread or the seventh day Sabbath following.From the passage however it seems clear the reference point is:

    "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:"(Leviticus 23:10)

    It is dependent on when the harvest is reaped and not on the feast mentioned before.

    With this in mind,note also how a feast is described:

    "Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts."(Leviticus 23:2)

    That which is described in Leviticus 23:11,is not a feast but an offering made during a feast.Unless the feast is no longer the feast of unleavened bread? The feast is properly recorded in Leviticus 23:15-21,and could be called firstfruits since the offerings so described were offered on that day which was a holy convocation.

    This is why some refer to the event of Leviticus 23:11,as the Day of the Firstfruits rather than a feast.


    The statement in Matthew 12:40,was not three days and nights but a precise three days and three nights.Jesus himself determined by His statement in John 11:9,the consideration of a 24 hour day.Esther's statement does not say this and is not the same.There is no reading into scripture here.

    It is also possible for the Sabbath afternoon of His resurrection to be the third day if we exclude the day(wednesday)of His crucifixion.

    Apart from this,one thing is certain;there is no scripture which describes Jesus as being raised on the first day.All descriptions show an empty tomb at the arrival of the disciples and your reckoning ignores the Sabbaths of different administration during the crucifixion and resurrection period.
     
  4. safswan

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    I agree,as long as we do assemble as the scriptures implore with the Sabbath being a day for holy convocation and as Paul advises and practiced.(Hebrews 10:25;Acts 16:13)



    Not sure this is directed to me as I did not start this discussion.
     
  5. Studyman

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    My bad, I was referring to your post #158. I'm kinda late to this party. :^)

    Yes, fellowship is essential, I am grateful to God for my brothers and sisters in Christ.

    Ecc. 4:9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.

    10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.

    11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?

    12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

    Heb. 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

    25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

    26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

    Paul also said;

    2 Cor. 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

    Glad to assemble with you :^)
     
  6. safswan

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    That's ok and I understand your comment now.It is good to fellowship with like minded persons here(when I can) even if we don't agree on everything.
     
  7. namohcam

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    Why would the NT have to be junked? It contains no error.
     
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    Where?
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    Thanks for your thoughts. For me I disagree, as none of those scriptures state anywhere dear friend that Jesus was to be a literal full three days (72 hrs) in the grave. In Matthew 12:40 for example “three days and nights” is considered to be Hebrew figure of speech referring to any part of three days and nights. This is quite a common practice used within the scriptures.

    For example in Esther 4:16; Esther 5:1 “three days and three nights” does not mean 72 hours. For, although they fasted three days and nights (4:16) between the time they started and the time she appeared before the king, the passage states that Esther appeared before the king “on the third day” (5:1). If they began on Friday, then the third day would be Sunday. Hence, “three days and nights” must mean any part of three days and nights.

    Also you may want to consider Jesus used the phrase “on the third day” to describe the time of His resurrection after His crucifixion (Matthew 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; cf. 26:61). But, “on the third day” cannot mean “after three days” which 72 hours demands. On the other hand, the phrase “on the third day” or “three days and nights” can be understood to mean within three days and nights. If you follow the timings through Jesus perfectly fulfilled the prophecy as he died on Nissan 14, rested in the grave on Nissan 15 and rose sometime on Nissan 16 (first day of the week).

    Blessings.
     
  10. Albion

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    If it were thought by Sabbatarians to contain no error, they could not also decide their day of worship on the basis of the Old Testament exclusively, while disregarding the information that is in the New Testament. It authorizes Christians to make "the Lord's Day" the principle day of worship.
     
  11. SabbathBlessings

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    Would love to see scripture anywhere in the Bible that says Sunday is the Lords day. For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.
    Mathew 12:8 So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.” Mark 2:28, And he said to them, “The Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.” Luke 6:5 Seems like the Bible says something else about which day is the Lord's day.

    The only day God blessed and made Holy is the seventh day. Genesis 2:3, Exodus 20 8-11

    Is there a different God from the old to the new?

    Mary kept the Sabbath like the 4th commandment in the New Testament.

    Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

    Did Jesus keep all of the commandments like His Father instructed? Are we not told to follow Him as our example?

    John 15:10 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

    God bless
     
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  12. Albion

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    Hi. In my experience, both here on CF and elsewhere, every SDA who invites a discussion about this topic already knows the verse(s) that the Christians who worship on Sunday refer to, and they're waiting with a prepared rebuttal when such people do refer to them.

    So I do not care to go around that mulberry bush once again here to no conclusion, knowing that there's no hope of actually getting a fair hearing from the other side. However, I did go so far as to answer your question about the Old Testament and the New Testament.
     
  13. SabbathBlessings

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    I think it’s important to let God decide which day He deemed His Holy Sabbath. Exodus 20:8-11
     
  14. safswan

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    I have addressed your comments in the post you are responding to.To correct you again;Jesus did not say,"three days and nights".He said,"three days and three nights".Also in Esther the statement was,"three days and nights",and not what you state above.They are not the same.

    You can only come to the conclusion that Jesus rose from the dead on the first day by ignoring the fact that there is no scripture which says this and also by ignoring the circumstances of the crucifixion week.
     
  15. safswan

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    What is the,"Lord's Day"?And where in scripture is this authorized?
     
  16. safswan

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    No one here will prevent you from presenting your case and so your claim to not getting a fair hearing would not apply here.
     
  17. Albion

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    It's already been presented, my friend. Several times.

    If you didn't know that, I can understand why you might think I should lay out all the details so that the predictable rejoinder can be thrown back at me and nothing be settled by the process.
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    Actually no you didn't. All you said was that you disagreed with the scriptures shared with you, that is why I provided the scriptures showing that 3 days and 3 nights does not have to be a literal 72 hours in the Hebrew scriptures. A literal 72 hours is disagrees with the bible and the prophetic timings of the feast days and also does not agree with Jesus himself in that he will rise “on the third day” to describe the time of His resurrection after His crucifixion in Matthew 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 26:61. A literal 72 hour view disagrees with the scriptures and is reading into the scripture what the scripture does not say or teach and is not biblical. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. I have only shared with you what I believe from the scriptures and why and how they link to the feast days.
     
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  19. LoveGodsWord

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    Hmmm what? Is stealing, lying, murder, adultery using Gods' name in vain, making and worshiping idols, breaking God's Sabbath etc etc.. all permissible under the new covenant now in your view? My understanding of the scriptures is that God's 10 commandments in the new covenant have the same role they always have and that is to give us the knowledge of good and evil, sin and righteousness *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and made free to walk in God's Spirit *Romans 8:1-4; Galatians 3:22-25. Can you show me where it says in the new covenant that God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day? - There is none. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment. Jesus says those who follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God are not following God in Matthew 15:3-9. God's people are in every Church of course. The hour is coming Jesus says and now is that the true worshipers will worship Him in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 18:1-5. God is calling us out from following man-made teachings and traditions that lead us away from God and His Word back to the pure Word of God. Those who hear His voice (the Word) will follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow. According to the scriptures the Sabbath day is "the Lords day" - Matthew 12:8. There is no scripture that says Sunday or the first of the week is "the Lords day". This is a man-made teachings and tradition that is not biblical.

    Something to pray about.
     
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  20. Albion

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    Do you think that the commandments are all that is contained in the Bible? That's the way the SDA response almost always goes, yet most of what any denomination teaches and considers essential for the members to believe is not a matter of the 10 Commandments.
     
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