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A old question about god.
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shprdslamb7
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well pal such a silly question u actualy have no faith on HIS powers lemme tell u if HE can create the whole world n its beings what he cannot do so behave like a wise man n don't ask these silly questions
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Rafael
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Maybe this will help you grow into some wisdom:
http://www.carm.org/atheism/God_rock.htm
http://www.str.org/free/reflections/philosophy/cangodma.htm
http://www.carm.org/atheism/God_rock.htm
http://www.str.org/free/reflections/philosophy/cangodma.htm
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Whether or not you deem the question as silly is not the point. It is a question that you can not answer, therefore you brush it off as silly. It frightens you because neither you nor the Bible has an answer.
If you want the same question in a more serious form, then could God create a society so evil that not even he could correct it?
If you want the same question in a more serious form, then could God create a society so evil that not even he could correct it?
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It is God who has given us time in this world with which to know Him, and precious time is being wasted with such questions. The issues are infinitely more immense.
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hmmm i think thats a good question, and understand that your using the burrito as a metaphor. there is nothing greater than god. he could make a burrito he could not eat becuase he can make anything. its not greater than him just because he can't eat it.
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Ken
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Voice of Reason... the Bible does not need to answer nonsensical questions....
[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]From http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hgodrock.html
"About the question "Can God make a rock so big he cannot pick it up?" as a problem for a view of God as omnipotent...
Couple of points here...
First, Omnipotence has historically been understood as the ability to perform any task consistent with His character and essence. (At least that's the classical definition/understanding of it). This would exclude 'things' like...
Re his character:
It is impossible for God to lie (He actually is the one who told us this in the scriptures).
It is impossible for God to break an promise.
It is impossible for God to deny his existence and character (tantamount to lying, of course).
Re his essence:
It is impossible for him to split into two essences (a la cell division).
It is impossible for him to will himself out of existence.
(These above statements are beyond the scope of this email.)
Secondly, there are some things that we can build pseudo-sentences about, that actually don't end up being 'tasks'...some can be quite comical...
"Can God make this question into a declarative sentence?"
"Can God change the subject of this sentence to 'jello'?"
"Can God make this sentence so long that he cannot read it?"
"Can God make the slithy toves gyre and gimble in the wabe?"
(for any fellow Alice-in-Wonderland-Enthusiasts out there!)
These 'sentences' seem odd to us, for they look like regular sentences, but they have what philosophers of language call 'ungrammaticality' (cf.Language and Reality--An Introduction to the Philosophy of Language, by Michael Devitt & Kim Sterelny, MIT Press, pps.89-92).
Then there is another class of sentences in which grammaticality is present, but there are improper referents and relations, similar to the linguists' favorite: "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously". These sentences (and any questions based upon them like "Do colorless green ideas sleep furiously?") are said to have no truth value (neither true nor false)--they just don't have any meaning to BE true or false.
It is into this category that the following sentences/questions fit:
God can make a square circle.
(and the Q-version of it: Can God make a square circle?)
God can make colorless green ideas sleep furiously.
God can make a rock so big it turns into a peach.
God can make a rock so invisible that it casts a shadow 2 parsecs long!
It is in this category that the famous "God can make a rock so big he cannot lift it" fits. As a 'sentence' it actually has no meaning, and hence is neither true nor false."[/font]
[font=verdana, arial, helvetica]From http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hgodrock.html
"About the question "Can God make a rock so big he cannot pick it up?" as a problem for a view of God as omnipotent...
Couple of points here...
First, Omnipotence has historically been understood as the ability to perform any task consistent with His character and essence. (At least that's the classical definition/understanding of it). This would exclude 'things' like...
Re his character:
It is impossible for God to lie (He actually is the one who told us this in the scriptures).
It is impossible for God to break an promise.
It is impossible for God to deny his existence and character (tantamount to lying, of course).
Re his essence:
It is impossible for him to split into two essences (a la cell division).
It is impossible for him to will himself out of existence.
(These above statements are beyond the scope of this email.)
Secondly, there are some things that we can build pseudo-sentences about, that actually don't end up being 'tasks'...some can be quite comical...
"Can God make this question into a declarative sentence?"
"Can God change the subject of this sentence to 'jello'?"
"Can God make this sentence so long that he cannot read it?"
"Can God make the slithy toves gyre and gimble in the wabe?"
(for any fellow Alice-in-Wonderland-Enthusiasts out there!)
These 'sentences' seem odd to us, for they look like regular sentences, but they have what philosophers of language call 'ungrammaticality' (cf.Language and Reality--An Introduction to the Philosophy of Language, by Michael Devitt & Kim Sterelny, MIT Press, pps.89-92).
Then there is another class of sentences in which grammaticality is present, but there are improper referents and relations, similar to the linguists' favorite: "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously". These sentences (and any questions based upon them like "Do colorless green ideas sleep furiously?") are said to have no truth value (neither true nor false)--they just don't have any meaning to BE true or false.
It is into this category that the following sentences/questions fit:
God can make a square circle.
(and the Q-version of it: Can God make a square circle?)
God can make colorless green ideas sleep furiously.
God can make a rock so big it turns into a peach.
God can make a rock so invisible that it casts a shadow 2 parsecs long!
It is in this category that the famous "God can make a rock so big he cannot lift it" fits. As a 'sentence' it actually has no meaning, and hence is neither true nor false."[/font]
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Ken
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Voice of Reason, from the rules...
This is a forum that is specifically for non-believers to ask Christians, both staff and members, questions about Christianity, the Christian faith and issues about salvation and the gospel.
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This is NOT a forum for debate or controversy. Those questions belong in the "General Apologetics" forum. Any questions or posts that are designed to confront or argue will be moved to the "General Apologetics" forum.
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Natro said:
God is perfect and I don't think there's any way He can make somethg He can't handle. He's all knowing, so He knows that when He puts this much chilli or whatever in the burrito, it'll be really hot.
Natro, that was a very funny question
You must be avery funny guy/gal How did you even get to think of that
? Lol
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Yes. But, also being omniscient, He would also know to make a lime slice so big that He could withstand the burrito.Natro said:
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No. That's what the Lake of Fire is all about. Of course Schoepenhauer might disagree and think in fact that his impersonal 'god' could indeed create a world so evil that 'he' could not correct it. Buddhists may agree as well that this world is one of pain and suffering and therefore escape is the best option.Voice Of Reason said:
For Christians however, the goodness of God's nature precludes the idea that God could create such a universe. For God to go against his nature would be illogical in and of itself. I know this because I took the time to examine the links that others have posted.
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sOuLifieD
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Is it possible for God to make Himself a liar? Yes. God has the power to change His character and His identity, and His identity is the Truth. He also has the power to give up the power He has. He can do anything. So in that case -- yes He could make a burrito too spicy He couldn't eat it, but in doing so that would also be doing 2 things -- #1 Changing His character to become a liar (ie God is unchanging, God can do anything, etc) and #2 Giving up the power He has.
But if He chose to do both of those things, which He wouldn't, then yes He could do what you say, or make a rock so big He couldn't lift it, etc...
Anything is possible with God, but it isn't always a simplistic "yes" or "no". I hope this makes sense.
But if He chose to do both of those things, which He wouldn't, then yes He could do what you say, or make a rock so big He couldn't lift it, etc...
Anything is possible with God, but it isn't always a simplistic "yes" or "no". I hope this makes sense.
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