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a new earth...

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by 1hope, Sep 8, 2002.

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  1. 1hope

    1hope Regular Member

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    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    What do you think NEW earth means? If God creates a whole new PLANET earth.Who will be on it?
    I've heard some people believe that we will be sent back to earth instead of being in heaven. Others believe New earth was not literally meant. Some believe that the earth will not have human life on it. I'm not looking for a debate here. I just enjoy hearing about different views on such things.
     
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  2. ladylove

    ladylove Active Member

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    During the time period of God's wrath against the unrepentent, which is called the "Day of the Lord," the present earth will become toast. It will be necessary for the Lord Jesus to recreate what was destroyed during the 45 day period after Amaggedon. Thus, the new earth will be established so that the millinenial inhabitants can repoplulate the earth during Christ's physical rule. That is the truth.
     
  3. camaro540

    camaro540 Regular Member

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    Those who were judge worthy.

    Heaven is where God is. If God is on earth, that is where Heaven is.

    2Pe 3:12
    Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens
    being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    My belief is God will kosher the place as in the above scripture. I believe it will be a new earth.

    There will be no human life (IMHO). Scripture again tells us we will be as the angels are.

    Mar 12:25
    For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given
    in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
     
  4. armothe

    armothe Living in HIS kingdom...

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    I'd offer my viewpoint, but someone in a recent thread just recently labelled me a Preterist- so I guess I'm no longer allowed really post anything in this forum.

    PM me if you like.

    -A
     
  5. Pericles

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    Could it be possible that the idea of "New earth" is not inferring a new physical planet Earth, but a renewed world, renewed by the Spirit of Christ? In the same manner, the inspired apostles used the same language to illustrate the fact that believers have been renewed by Christ, and they are "new creatures".  Does that indicate that the physical bodies of the christians living in Corinth were destroyed (toast), and then remade in some different form?

    "Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh" - Hebrews 10:19,20

    "...and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth" - Ephesians 4:24

    "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold new things have come" - 2 Cor. 5:17
     
  6. Patmosman_sga

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    Consistency is important when trying to understand how God is bringing about the completion of his creation. The resurrection of Christ is the key to understanding how God is working to do the same thing for all of his creation. Paul says of Christ:

    We cannot overlook the important relationship of Christology with eschatology. For if Christ is "the firstborn of all creation," then "all creation" will find its redemption in him. So, if we want to understand how God brings about "new heavens and a new earth," then we must consider how God went about raising Christ from the dead.

    Did Jesus arise from the dead in the same body in which he was crucified? Was the Jesus who came out of the tomb the same Jesus who had walked the earth for 33 years?

    The answer is yes and no. Yes, Jesus arose from the dead in the same body in which he was crucified, as witnessed by the fact that his body still bore the scars of his ordeal. But, in resurrected form, that body had undergone a significant transformation. In death, it had been a "natural body." In resurrection, it became a "spiritual body."

    The change, however, was not so much one of substance, but of orientation. The "natural" body is inclined toward disobedience (although Jesus lived a life of perfect obedience, even in his "natural" body). The "spiritual" body is inclined toward obedience. It is a body fully submitted to the Holy Spirit, thus embodying the very essence and nature of God; his perfect image and likeness. In rising from the dead, Jesus proved beyond any doubt that he was indeed who he had been claiming to be all along: God's own beloved Son, the very embodiment of what God intended his creation to be in the beginning.

    So, in the resurrection of the dead, we "put off" our "natural" body and "put on" our "spiritual" body: not a "replacement" body, but the "old" body in a "new" and transformed state, bearing the image and likeness of Christ, who is the image and likeness of God.

    Thus, as it is the destiny of all believers to share with Christ in the resurrection, so it is the destiny of all creation--heaven and earth alike--to be raised to a higher state of existence, reflecting the glory of the Creator himself. In the "end," the "new heavens" and the "new earth" are the same "heavens and the earth" which God created "in the beginning."
     
  7. JohnR7

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    ((the present earth will become toast.))

    I am looking forward to it myself. There is so much that the water of the flood did not cleanse off of this earth. Disease and so forth.

    For now, we can be cleansed by fire so that God is doing a work to purify us. We can be Holy and Sanctified before God. Or for some they can be consecrated and dedicated to God.

    There are two kinds of fire, a cleansing fire and a consuming fire. Each individual gets to choose which one they want.
     
  8. Frank

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    John, just a couple of quick questions.  Are you suggesting that:

    1. Somehow God botched the flood and didn't "cleanse off this earth" the way He should have?

    2.  Disease was not created by God?  Do you believe that God created ALL living beings as the Bible says (including bacteria, viruses...etc) ?
     
  9. CoreIssue

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    10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.[1]

    Look up the definitions in the Greek. All is reduced to its base molecules. It is a complete destruction of the physical universe.

    That is followed by the creation of the New Heaven and New Earth.

    And look in the description of the New Earth in Revelation. No resemblance to this old earth.

    It is a restoration to the perfect condition it was in before the rebelliion of Satan. That caused the earth to become void waste between Gen 1: 1 and 2.
     
  10. JohnR7

    JohnR7 Well-Known Member

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    (John, just a couple of quick questions.  Are you suggesting that:

    1. Somehow God botched the flood and didn't "cleanse off this earth" the way He should have?

    2.  Disease was not created by God?  Do you believe that God created ALL living beings as the Bible says (including bacteria, viruses...etc) ?))))

    I would never suggest that "somehow God botched" anything. He is perfect in all His ways, and blameless in all He does. He is worthy of all Praise, Honor and Glory. The thought would never even enter my mind that God would or could "botch" anything. That sort of a thought or thinking would come from the father of lies, satan himself. 

    As far as disease being created by God. God created all things and they were good. We are told that bacteria can be good, and we need it to digest our food. But God will not take the blame for the mess that man and the devil made out of creation. All of creation is in need of redemption and restoration.

    In the Kingdom of God, nothing is harmful.

    Isaiah 11:9
        They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

    Isaiah 11:6
        The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

    The good news is, that Jesus came to redeem and to restore. This earth has already been cleansed by water, and the day will soon come, when the earth will be cleansed by fire.

    2 Peter 3:10
        But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.



     


     
     
  11. Frank

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    John, why do you believe this?  Where does the Bible say that "at first bacteria was good but then it turned bad?"

    Also, I am curious why you think that "all of creation is in need of redemption and restoration?".  Do you really believe that God made something perfect, yet man, a much lesser being was able to ruin what God called good and perfect?

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with this world...the problem is not the physical creation for crying out loud, the problem is SIN!  If you would take all human beings from earth and put them on another planet, SIN and CORRUPTION would go with them to this new planet, what then would be evil about earth?  What do you think weeds didn't grow before the fall, that mankind didn't sweat, or Adam and Even didn't experience pain when they fell down and scraped their knees on a rock? 

    Christ came and removed sin, put us back in God's presence, creation was restored to where God wanted it to be...into a relationship with him.  Why is it a surprise to anyone that the world is "getting worse" when you expect it to get it worse, and you are looking forward to it "being toast".  It's a self-fulfilling prophecy...  In fact, shouldn't we give it a hand to make it get worse faster?  Maybe that will speed up the return of Christ :)
     
  12. ladylove

    ladylove Active Member

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    1Hope,

    Are you still interested in your thread? I see no response after your initial post.

    If you are, please read Rev. 21 it tells you a great deal about what the new heaven and earth will be like as well as the new city of God. Happy reading! :)
     
  13. 1hope

    1hope Regular Member

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    I'm still interested in the tread. I've read all the different views people have on the subject. That's why I posted the question. I like to hear different thoughts on subjects in the bible. Often I get new insights on things I have read in the bible from others.
     
  14. Help-me-learn

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    I believe the earth was created for man. I also believe that the new earth will be for man also. I believe Jesus will reign over the earth and that will make earth like heaven.
     
  15. Frank

    Frank New Member

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    So in your words, heaven is not good enough...we need, like Thomas, something to touch in order to be happy and take Christ at His word?
     
  16. Tallyn

    Tallyn New Member

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    So Christ is not reigning now?

    Tallyn
     
  17. ladylove

    ladylove Active Member

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    Tallyn,

    The regin on earth that everyone is talking about is a PHYSICAL reign. The Lord Jesus will PHYSICALLY come back to earth to do this. That is the reign spoken of in this thread. Are you a new believer?
     
  18. LastDazed

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    This is a good direction! I happen to believe in a future physical reign, and a current spiritual reign.

    My only difficulty is in determining how His future physical reign will somehow be "more reignful" than His current spiritual reign.

    Can anyone help me figure out what authority Jesus now lacks, that only His physical manifestation can overcome?

    Thanks,
    LD
     
  19. Patmosman_sga

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    None whatsoever. The final consummation of the kingdom of God is merely the full and visible realization of what we who are believers already know to be true from the foundation of the world: JESUS CHRIST, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
     
  20. Tallyn

    Tallyn New Member

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    John 18:33-36
    33 Pilate therefore entered again into the Praetorium, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?...36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


    Christ doesn't lack authority. To believe this basically means His sacrifice on the cross is meaningless.

    Tallyn
     
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