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A MYSTERY : Rapture and the Parable of the Ten Virgins

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by rollinTHUNDER, Aug 5, 2002.

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  1. rollinTHUNDER

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    Sorry Thunder,

    I couldn't remove your 1st two messages like you asked. Don't worry about it.

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    Some believe the tribulation may be for some Christians, but not for the bride of Christ. But there are no Christians outside of the bride, for all believers form a single body (Ephesians 4:4-6), which is the bride of Christ (Ephesians 5:30-32). We Christians who will be in the tribulation are Christians after the cross and after Pentecost, saved in no different way than Christians who have died or will die before the tribulation. Many of us will be slain for the word of God and cry out to the Lord (Revelation 6:9-10); we will have washed our robes in the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 7:14); we will have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Revelation 12:17) and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:12) and will be in the Lord (Revelation 14:13); if we die, we will enter into heaven itself (Revelation 15:2); some of us will be beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God, and we will all live and reign with Christ (Revelation 20:4).&nbsp;&nbsp;

    Note that Revelation 3:10 doesn't promise the church a pre-trib rapture, but simply promised the 1st century church of Philadelphia that it would be kept from the hour of trial, which was probably a great persecution in their own time, and they weren't raptured.&nbsp;

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    Hello postrib,

    I believe you missed it. Eph. 4:4-6 and 5:30-32 are talking about the "body of Christ", which is the church. Christ is the head of this body. These verses aren't about the bride, but God will take Christ' bride out of this body. I know this will be very confusing to some people. We must all discern spiritual matters for ourselves, for the wise will not only know, but they will also understand.

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    Thanks for trying Yauming. I guess the new format isn't very compatible with cutting and pasting, but I would hate to re-type this whole message again. Thanks again Bro!! ;)
     
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    Ephesians 5:30-32 shows that the body of Christ is his bride: "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."
     
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    I disagree. It isn't saying that at all. It doesn't say the body of Christ is His bride. It is saying that the church is His body. The bride will be taken out of this body. But I would agree that it is a great mystery : concerning Christ and His body (church).
     
  11. ZiSunka

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    I think that is a wrong assumption. There are many unsaved people who believe that Christ is going to return, but think they have plenty of time to side up with God before that happens. They are the ones who aren't preparing themselves, because, even though they know he's coming, they think it won't matter whether they are ready (saved) or not!
     
  12. postrib

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    Note again that Ephesians 5:30-32 is saying that the church is His body and His bride: "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."
     
  13. rollinTHUNDER

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    I'm not gonna keep looking at the same thing over and over and over....... Yes Christ loves His church, and the mystery is concerning Him and His church. It does not say that the church is the body and the bride. Those are your words and your interpretation. Christ loves the whole church, but the whole church doesn't love Him. If they all loved Him, they would all obey Him.
     
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    Note once more that it does say that the church is&nbsp;the body and&nbsp;the bride: "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church" (Ephesians 5:30-32).&nbsp;
     
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    One last time, and this time, allow me to break it down for you. If you still can't see it, then forget about it and move on.

    "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. This says we are his body (the church).

    For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is not referring to Jesus, but to us. Jesus is not a man. But it is also showing that when two are joined together they become one flesh if you on earth. In heaven we won't be in the flesh.

    This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church" (Ephesians 5:30-32).&nbsp;This is the mystery of all mysteries, just as it says it is. It is just like saying it is a great puzzle. This mystery is concerning Christ and His church. It does not say the entire church will be the bride, but it does say it is a great mystery.&nbsp;
     
  16. postrib

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    Note that it is referring to Jesus (a man) and to us (his wife).&nbsp;&nbsp;

    Note that Jesus is a man:

    "Jesus of Nazareth, a man" (Acts 2:22).

    "The man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5).

    "One man, Jesus Christ" (Romans 5:15).

    Note once more that it does say those in the church&nbsp;are the bride: "For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church" (Ephesians 5:30-32).&nbsp;
     
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    The man you are referring to is now in heaven. A man has flesh, as even Jesus once did, but when He returns He will be in His immortal body. I disagree with you. This scripture shows that a man and his wife joined together are then made one flesh. Flesh and blood can not enter into heaven. But it is showing the (union), how two are made into one.

    If you can't see it, that's okay. I knew that not everyone would see it from the start. So we should just agree to disagree. See ya!!
     
  18. postrib

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    Note that Jesus is still a man and still has flesh:

    "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5).

    "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have" (Luke 24:39).
    While Paul says "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 15:50), note that&nbsp;he goes on to say "neither doth corruption inherit incorruption," so that he must have been referring only to corruptible flesh, for Jesus was resurrected into incorruptible "flesh and bones" (Luke 24:39); I believe Jesus said "bones" instead of the usual "blood" because incorruptible "flesh and bones" (without blood as we know it) can inherit the kingdom of God.
     
  19. rollinTHUNDER

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    Hi postrib,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bye postrib
     
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    The parable of the ten virgins has always interested me. I see this as a lesson rather than a prophecy; there are ten virgins (five) are wise (five) are foolish. The foolish did not keep any oil with them while they slept and slumbered (we are told the bridegroom= Jesus= has tarried) Time passes. There is a cry, behold the bridegroom cometh! and the (five) who are wise, awoke and trimmed their lamps. The other (five) foolish ones, panicked because they had no oil to light their lamps. They were not ready. So they ask the wise for oil, (help!) and they say no; go to those who sell and buy for yourselves. The bridegroom comes and those (five) who were ready go in with him. The door is now shut, and afterwards the (five) foolish come knocking, please let us in, but the bridegroom (Jesus) says, verily I say unto you, I know you NOT.

    First we have to understand what the lamps are. The disciples spoke of (us) as either being filled with light or filled with darkness. I believe this to be very spiritual; the children of God walk in the light, we understand the word of God because he dwells within us. (behold, the kingdom of heaven is within you) and what keeps Gods children in the light? The oil. What is the oil, but the word of God. No man goes to the Father, but through me, Jesus tells us. What then, if Jesus is that oil? And believing in him, and keeping his words and his commandments, is the oil needed to keep our lamps lit. :)
    Notice that the (five) wise tell them to go to those who sell; is it because they were of this world, and chose to belong to the world? It was too late. They (the five wise) had chosen to seek after the kingdom of heaven. And for the (five foolish) in this parable, repentance doesn't count, because when they come knocking afterwards, the bridegroom tells them, I know you not.
    And the words that follow are a warning;

    WATCH therefore, for ye know neither the day not the hour wherein the son of man cometh.


    Wildfire
     
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