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A LIST OF MY FAVORITE LOSE YOUR SALVATION VERSES

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by Honoluluwindow, Mar 18, 2017.

  1. Honoluluwindow

    Honoluluwindow Active Member

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    “And he did evil in the sight of the Lord, and walked in the way of his father, and in the way of his mother, and in the way of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin: For he served Baal, and worshipped him, and provoked to anger the Lord God of Israel, according to all that his father had done.”
    ‭‭1 Kings‬ ‭22:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬
    1 Kings 22:52-53; And he did evil in the sight of the Lord, and walked in the way of his father, and in the way of his mother, and in the way of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin: For he served Baal, and worshipped him, and provoked to anger the Lord God of Israel, according to all that his father had done.
     
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  2. TaylorSexton

    TaylorSexton 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith

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    What does that passage have to do with losing one's salvation? In fact, what does that passage have to do with salvation at all?
     
  3. Honoluluwindow

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    Well nothing really. I guess I'm fishing for some absurdity since I'm an eternal security guy. Haha
     
  4. TaylorSexton

    TaylorSexton 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith

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    Oh. LOL. Well, no offense, but that did not come through in your post at all. I affirm eternal security, as well, so I was ready to put my boxing gloves on. :p
     
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  5. Oscarr

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    This may be a good thread to ask this question to fire up a good debate:

    Are legalists - those who impose rules and regulations on others as a condition for salvation - actually saved? Have they come through the narrow gate of faith and trust in Christ, or have they come over the wall of legalism and therefore are not really born again? I include those who quote scripture to back up their legalism and appear very convincing about it, but the effect is that good believers struggle with condemnation as a result. In my opinion, these legalists may be very good-living religious folk, but they are not saved and are motivated by a religious spirit instead of the spirit of Christ, and the scripture does say that the person who does not have the spirit of Christ is none of His.
     
  6. EmSw

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    How is one saved if he/she doesn't know Jesus? No one I have asked has answered this question. So, I ask you.

    Also, if one doesn't have the truth in him/her, are they saved?

    If one isn't a legalist, then they are lawless. Is lawlessness required to be saved?

    1 John 2
    3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


    Matthew 7:23
    And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    If you are wanting a debate, then you will have to debate Jesus and John. But I suggest you have the truth in you, or they will put you to shame.
     
  7. PollyJetix

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    What is "legalism"?

    Some have been taught so strongly against "legalism" that they cry foul even when the Scriptures are referred to, in reference to a question if something is right or wrong.

    I contend that the legalism that Paul warned against was looking to works for salvation.
    Trying to become justified, or even to remain justified, by performing works.

    However, real faith will result in works.
    Check out Hebrews 11.

    The same Paul that warned against attempting to justify oneself by works, also wrote:
    Yet, those who have been taught the strongest against "works" will find these things among them, in the church, and their hands tied to try to deal with them. Because preaching against sin in the camp is, to them, equivalent to preaching salvation by works.
     
  8. MWood

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    Why would anyone want to preach against sin? All sin is forgiven already. Nothing will ever be done again to forgive sin.
     
  9. Honoluluwindow

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    Many of them yes I would agree they have a very serious dilemma concerning salvation. I would exempt the baby believers tho.
     
  10. Honoluluwindow

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    Legalism is not limited to the gospel message which would be anathema according to Paul. Legalism also involves teaching the obedience to non biblical false additions to the sanctification process in the life of a believer. Such as circumcision or drinking alcohol etc. while a believer is free to follow rules for himself like abstaining from drinking alcohol, once he insists that other believers follow his example he becomes a legalism.
     
  11. Honoluluwindow

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    Paul specifically taught against the sin nature. Because believers have a dual capacity of the newborn spirit and the flesh. Anytime a believer commits an act of sin he does so always only through his sin nature. We need to focus on encouraging one another to have our will controlled by our newborn human spirits. This way we will produce the fruit of the spirit by yielding to the Holy Spirit's work of sanctification.
     
  12. Honoluluwindow

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    None of these scriptures teach that Jesus can lose my salvation.
     
  13. StevenBelievin

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    There are some passages that seem to suggest that it's theoretically possible, but if it is possible there's no returning to Jesus after according to Hebrews 6:4-6..
     
  14. Honoluluwindow

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    Passages that appear contradictory to the gospel may appear that way at first glance but they cannot be proved to outweigh the abundance of evidence that salvation is by grace alone in Christ alone plus nothing. Those that believe salvation is losable do not bother to take into consideration that the scriptures do not contradict themselves. They search for these passages as evidence to promote a pre conceived philosophical prejudice that salvation can be lost. That's not a proper method of biblical study.
     
  15. StevenBelievin

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    I agree. I also do not believe that a person who is genuinely born again can lose their salvation. The passages that seem to suggest such appear to look at things from a temporal perspective. To suggest that someone can waltz in and out of salvation like a revolving door is ridiculous. He (Jesus) is able to save to the utmost those who call upon Him. Of all that He (God) has given Him (Jesus), He will lose none but raise them up at the last day. Losing "none" is pretty iron clad proof that none will be lost.
     
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    Probably because there is no such thing as a righteous man apart from Christ. It's a false righteousness he is turning away from in the old covenant. He never really had it. The passage from Jeremiah specifically deals with the new covenant where God causes them to walk in it and they will not depart from it.

    Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

    The reason for the new covenant is "because they did not continue" in the old one. In the new God Himself causes them / us to walk in it and "we will not depart from it" according to Jeremiah.

    Hope that makes sense.
     
  19. EmSw

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    So you're saying the Bible lied. How convenient.

    I'm guessing you haven't read the OT. You will find the righteous in the OT. And I can assure you, when it mentions the righteous, it's not a false righteousness. Where do you people get all these things?

    So God was faulty when He established the old covenant. Let me tell you, nothing God does is faulty. The faulty aspect were the people, not the covenant. Just as today, people didn't continue in the covenant.

    The law was written in the OT people's heart.

    Deuteronomy 6:6
    “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart.

    What laws were written on your heart? What is the purpose to have His laws written on your heart?

    So, God has little robots walking around. God does not cause you to do anything. It's all up to you. Many have departed from them today.

    Besides, if God causes you to walk in them, why is it you are not sinless?
     
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