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A House Divided

Discussion in 'Christianity and World Religion' started by lared, Feb 24, 2003.

  1. lared

    lared Active Member

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    An interesting article is found in the Weekend Journal section of the Wall Street Journal dated 2/21/03. You may read this front page article, no doubt, at your local public library.

    It is entitled: A House Divided.

    With a subheading stating:
    Peace of war? Worried about losing members, more clergy are preaching both sides------even in the same church.

    It is really nothing new. Just more expose that should be a wake up call to thinking spiritually minded individuals. Do you see what the churches are truly concerned about? Pleasing God? Imitating Jesus? Obeying Christ's commands? ------No...it is all about losing members.

    A qoute in the article from a so-called Rev. William Tully, rector of the Manhattan-based Episcopal church, who says he wants to encourage debate. "I don't want the war in Iraq to cause a war in my congregation."
    "We are trying to cover all views."

    A priest holding a 'pro-peace' Mass also invited uniformed war veterans to march down the aisle.

    What hypocrisy. How disgusting. I encourage all to read the article.

    Sincerely, Lared
     
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  2. ScottEmerson

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    I can see the religous views of both views. I don't think that there is an easy answer. I think that is what Tully was talking about.
     
  3. undead1

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    There is a legitimate view that Bush, Blair are in standing in the very same shoes that Hitler wore.

    There is clearly no perceivable threat to either Britain or the US from Iraq, or even any of iraq's neighbours. Sadam will soon be dead in any case, from natural causes, because he is an old man.

    The whole thing is an exercise is propaganda or the worst kind.

    Its all about the lust for conquest and the division of the spoils of war (which is oil).

    How many UN resolutions did Israel ignore, and for how long? Did Israel ever get invaded? No. Hypocrisy is the name of the game here. But neither a government nor a politician ever understood the meaning of the word.
     
  4. lared

    lared Active Member

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    There is a third side. That is to be no part of the world.

    If you live in a large American city, for example,....do you involve yourself with the local gangs? Do you try to analyze which side is right or wrong over their so-called 'turf' disputes? Do you wish to join in their gang warfare? Do you wish to uniform your son with the local gang dress and participate in their switchblade fights? Or do you spend your Saturday afternoons, protesting with picket signs against the decisions of the 'crypts' or the 'bloods'?

    You probably go about your business, taking care of your family, working, or going to school.

    That and a bit more is the stand of a true Christian. For he or she does not get involved with the squabbles, bickerings, and fighting of the nations. They are busy caring for their families and also busy obeying the command of Jesus to preach and teach the good news of the kingdom.---Matthew 24:14.

    Thus in some 235 lands and in hundreds of languages, Jehovah's Witnesses are united, in that they are no part of the world. American Witnesses are not at odds with French Witnesses, for they are no part of the world. Witnesses in Iraq know full well that their fellow spiritual brothers in the U.S. will not invade and harm them. Russian Witnesses are just as united with their English counterparts as Turkish Witnesses are with Spanish Witnesses.

    Because they follow Jesus' instructions, they are no part of the world and are united, unlike the churches that are divided.

    There is an easy answer.......simply be no part of the world.

    But of course, it does bring about distaste from the world....because anyone who is part of the world, does not like this stand.....and thus persecution, ridicule, and fault finding often ensues.

    I encourage all to consider Christian neutrality as an alternative.

    Sincerely, Lared
     
  5. undead1

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    That is a time for neutrality (aka peace) and a time for war, as Ecclesiastes
    says. However, what applies to one conflict, does not apply to the next.

    But the problem the modern "super-powers" face, today, is that warfare is carried out by high-tech gagetary infinitely superior to that of the other side. Its not real war. Its far too one-sided to be considered war. Its perceived to be "wilful, clinical, deliberate massacring of effectively unarmed people", on a par with Hitler's atrocities on the Jews.

    Its one thing to conduct such a terror campaign against terrorists, but another to conduct such a campaign against the population of a sovereign state.

    But the super-powers are terror to their own populations, and its no surprise that they see nothing wrong in being a terror to others. It is not forgotten that Blair was the main driving force for changing the laws to allow homosexuals to corrupt boys as young as 16 without fear of persecution by the law. Blair must be considered one of the most evil, and dangerous, men in the universe alive today.
     
  6. sklippstein

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    By remaining in a neutral state, u are allowing the majority to rule for u.
     
  7. ScottEmerson

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    It is a sad time when you consider Blair to be more dangerous and evil than Saddam.

    Honestly, it is like people ignore the hundreds of thousands of Kurdish people who are being slaughtered in Northern Iraq. Saddam Hussein is responsible for the killing of all of these people.

    Genocide of any kind should be stopped. At least that is what I believe. Saddam is guilty of genocide.
     
  8. lared

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    undead,

    Peace between peoples and nations requires more than just toleration. Can anyone really be at peace with someone he hates? Not according to 1 John 3:15: "Everyone who hates his brother is a manslayer." As recent history proves, deep hatreds easily escalate into acts of violence.

    Since Jehovah is "the God who gives peace," peace can be experienced only by people who have love for God and deep respect for his righteous principles. Clearly, Jehovah does not grant peace to everyone. "'There is no peace,' my God has said, 'for the wicked ones.'" This is because the wicked refuse to let themselves be guided by God's holy spirit, a fruit of which is peace.-Romans 15:33; Isaiah 57:21; Galatians 5:22.

    To wage war on fellow humans-as so-called Christians have so often done, particularly in the 20th century-is unthinkable for genuine Christians. (James 4:1-4) True, they war against teachings that misrepresent God, but this warfare is designed to help individuals, not to harm them. To persecute others because of religious differences or to inflict physical harm for nationalistic reasons stands in sharp contrast with true Christianity. "If possible, as far as it depends upon you," Paul instructed Christians in Rome, "be peaceable with all men."-Romans 12:17-19; 2 Timothy 2:24, 25.

    Today, divinely granted peace is to be found only among true worshipers of Jehovah God. (Psalm 119:165; Isaiah 48:18) No political differences disturb their unity, since they are everywhere politically neutral. (John 15:19; 17:14) Because they are "fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought," no religious differences threaten their peace. (1 Corinthians 1:10) The peace Jehovah's Witnesses enjoy is a modern-day miracle, one brought about by God in harmony with his promise: "I will appoint peace as your overseers and righteousness as your task assigners."-Isaiah 60:17; Hebrews 8:10.

    sincerely, lared
     
  9. lared

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    skippstein,

    Quite the contrary. I and millions of others allow God's kingdom government (located in heaven) to rule us. And what position has our King Christ Jesus commanded us to observe? To be no part of this world. To maintain Christian neurtrality. Not to get caught up in nationalism and patriotism. But of course to be law-abiding, decent, and honest.

    Sincerely, Lared
     
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