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Featured A FUTURE 1000 YEAR KINGDOM ON THIS EARTH?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Truth7t7, Feb 22, 2018.

  1. Truth7t7

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    No place in Revelation 20:1-6 does it show a kingdom on this earth with "Mortal Humans Present" as many believe and teach.

    The scripture presented represents the Lord's spiritual realm of eternity, no time.

    Angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, 100% the Lord's spiritual realm of no literal time.

    There is no kingdom on earth, with mortal humans present as many claim.

    Revelation 20:1-6KJV
    20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he clearly taught below.

    There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

    Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

    Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

    Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

    Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

    "ETERNITY BEGINS"!

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    Jesus Christ returns, then "The End Comes" Can't be more "Clear" than that.

    There is no 1000 year kingdom on earth hidden between verses 23-24 below.

    "Then Cometh The End"

    1 Corinthians 15:20-24KJV
    20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
    21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    24 Then cometh the end,
    when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    Jesus Christ Is Lord

    Truth7t7
     
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  2. keras

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    Where do those priests and leaders reign?
    Revelation 5:10 You have made them a royal house of priests for God and they shall reign on earth.
     
  3. Truth7t7

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    You wander away from the truth of scripture presented, when Jesus Christ returns, the final judgment, eternal kingdom takes place, "Then Cometh The End"!

    No place in Revelation 20:1-6 does it show a kingdom on this earth with "Mortal Humans Present" as many believe and teach.

    The scripture presented represents the Lord's spiritual realm of eternity, no time.

    Angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ, 100% the Lord's spiritual realm of no literal time.

    There is no kingdom on earth, with mortal humans present as many claim.

    Revelation 20:1-6KJV
    20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he clearly taught below.

    There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

    Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

    Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

    Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

    Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

    "ETERNITY BEGINS"!

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    Jesus Christ returns, then "The End Comes" Can't be more "Clear" than that.

    There is no 1000 year kingdom on earth hidden between verses 23-24 below.

    "Then Cometh The End"

    1 Corinthians 15:20-24KJV
    20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
    21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    24 Then cometh the end,
    when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    Jesus Christ Is Lord

    Truth7t7
     
  4. SeventyOne

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    How many threads do you intend to make about this same subject?
     
  5. dreadnought

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    I believe some of the prophesy in Revelation is symbolic of things we will experience in our individual lives here on earth.
     
  6. Truth7t7

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    The believers will reign on earth, a "New Earth"

    Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV)
    21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
    6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
    7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
    8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
     
  7. keras

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    Yes, he does get somewhat tiresome.
    The Bible plainly states that there will be a 1000 year reign of Jesus. It is His reward. Luke 13:32b
    It is up to Truth7t7 to explain why he ignores the plain Words of scripture.

    The NH,NE does not come until AFTER the Millennium and the GWT Judgement. Revelation 21:1-7
     
  8. BABerean2

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    In 2 Thessalonians chapter 1 Paul says Christ returns "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God.
    Therefore, the fire comes at His Second Coming.

    In 2 Peter 3:10-13, Peter was looking for the present earth to be burned up on "the day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief".
    This connects the event to 1 Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5, and Revelation 16:15-16, which once again are Second Coming passages.

    The "time of the judgment of the dead" with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Revelation 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible.

    In 1 Corinthians 15:50 Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.
    Mortals are made of flesh and blood.


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  9. Truth7t7

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    The NH ME GY TH ST Df GJ, Comes after the right turn on Jesus Highway?

    Make sense?
     
  10. Truth7t7

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    Many teach in error Jesus returns to earth to start a 1000 year millennial kingdom, with mortal humans present?

    Scripture teaches below, Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this present earth, as the New Heavens and Earth are revealed.

    "Eternity Begins"!

    "ALL THE SAME EVENT BELOW"

    Isaiah 66:15-16KJV
    15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
    16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

    2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
    7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    Luke 17:29-30KJV
    29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
    30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

    Malachi 3:2KJV
    2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

    Zechariah 14:12KJV
    12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
    13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    2 Timothy 4:1KJV
    I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

    Revelation 21:1-2KJV
    21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    As scripture "Clearly Teaches" this existing Heaven and Earth will be dissolved by the Lord's fire in final judgment at his appearing/return.

    Jesus Christ Is Lord

    Truth7t7
     
  11. SeventyOne

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    This doesn't require there be no 1,000 reign. There are those, including myself, who believe the new heavens and earth occur prior to the reign anyway, as laid out in Isaiah 65. This isn't an argument against the 1,000 reign at all, rather just an argument pertaining to the order of events.
     
  12. BABerean2

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    2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

    2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    Does sin remain during the reign in the New Heavens and New Earth, or is the curse removed?

    Will mortals be living in the New Heavens and the New Earth?


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  13. DavidPT

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    If you didn't choose to ignore prophecies in the OT, and not just meaning Zechariah 14, you might actually know the answer to that. For example. Don't know how anyone can read Isaiah 60 and not see that also involving mortals. The time in mind is meaning the new heavens and new earth. And in that same context we see this.

    Isaiah 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.

    Immortals don't perish, only mortals do. That's just plain common sense. Compare some of the verses surrounding that verse with Revelation 21 and 22, then tell me the timeframe in mind is not the new heavens and new earth.
     
  14. SeventyOne

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    Isaiah 65 shows us after the new heavens and earth are complete, there is still sin and death at that point. It also tells in the serpent will still crawl on it's belly and eat the dust, a remnant of the initial Genesis curse.

    Sin and death won't disappear until the GWT, as it states in Revelation 20, it is at that point that death will be no more, and by extension, no more sin as the wages of sin is death.
     
  15. Truth7t7

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    You claim unrighteous mortals are found in Isaiah 60, 100% wrong. Verse 21 clearly shows the inhabitants are "ALL RIGHTEOUS"!

    You will closely note Isaiah 60:19-20 is exactly the same place as Revelation 22:5

    Dave you don't want to see the Lord and eternal "Everlasting Light",you don't want to see "Only The Saved Righteous Are Present"

    Dave you have a predetermined prejudice in a earthly 1000 year kingdom, with mortal humans running around.

    A teaching in error.

    "Everlasting Light, Eternal"

    "Thy People Also Shall Be All Righteous"


    Isaiah 60:18-21KJV
    18 Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; but thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.
    19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.
    20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.
    21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

    Revelation 22:5KJV
    5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
     
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  16. Truth7t7

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    Do you believe that this existing earth is dissolved by the Lords fire at his return?

    Do you believe mortal humans will live "After" the return of Jesus Christ?

    2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
     
  17. Truth7t7

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    Keras it is you who denies the clear teaching of scripture presented below, in a desparate attemp to keep your 1000 year kingdom on earth alive.

    Matthew 25:31-46 is the GWTJ seen in Revelation 20:11-15 taught in a parallel teaching.

    How Many Times Do You Believe Judgment Will Take Place To The "Lake Of Fire" And "Eternal Life" as seen in Matthew 25:31-42 Below?

    "ONCE, AT THE FINAL JUDGMENT"

    Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he clearly taught below.

    There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

    Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

    Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

    Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

    Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

    "ETERNITY BEGINS"!

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    Many teach in error Jesus returns to earth to start a 1000 year millennial kingdom, with mortal humans present?

    Scripture teaches below, Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this present earth, as the New Heavens and Earth are revealed.

    "Eternity Begins"!

    "ALL THE SAME EVENT BELOW"

    Isaiah 66:15-16KJV
    15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
    16 For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

    2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
    7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    Luke 17:29-30KJV
    29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
    30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

    Malachi 3:2KJV
    2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

    Zechariah 14:12KJV
    12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
    13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    2 Timothy 4:1KJV
    I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

    Revelation 21:1-2KJV
    21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    As scripture "Clearly Teaches" this existing Heaven and Earth will be dissolved by the Lord's fire in final judgment at his appearing/return.

    Jesus Christ returns, then "The End Comes" Can't be more "Clear" than that.

    There is no 1000 year kingdom on earth hidden between verses 23-24 below.

    "Then Cometh The End"

    1 Corinthians 15:20-24KJV
    20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
    21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
    23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    24 Then cometh the end,
    when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    Jesus Christ Is Lord

    Truth7t7
     
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  18. SeventyOne

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    I answered this in post 14.
     
  19. Truth7t7

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    This present earth will pass away, the "New Heaven And Earth" are "ETERNAL"

    There will be no more death!

    You teach in error there will be death, look very closely at verse 4 below.

    "THERE SHALL BE NO MORE DEATH"

    Your eschatology skips around scripture, taking snips of what you desire to see, you disregard the full council of scripture, Why?

    Revelation 21:1-5 King James Version (KJV)
    21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
     
  20. DavidPT

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    And if we read those things about no more death, in light of Isaiah 65, we see whom verse 4 above is referring to in context.

    Isaiah 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
    19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

    Do you not see in verse 19 that Jerusalem is meant, and when it says the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying---the 'her' is clearly meaning Jerusalem, where according to Revelation 21 and 22, it's meaning new Jerusalem? There is obviously an inside and an outside to new Jerusalem, and that new Jerusalem is in the new heavens and new earth, but not that both are one and the same. So it's in the new Jerusalem where there is no more death, and not meaning outside of it as well.
     
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