A Florida cop pushed a teenager off a roof. His punishment: Forfeiting one vacation day.

[SummerMadness]

I live in Scotland, and I have never been to the US. However from what I read and see about American police officers, I get the impression that many are just bullying thugs. This doesn't surprise me.

It's less a problem of many being bullying thugs and more that when the thugs act out, they are protected by their fellow officers. Moreover, there are all the water carriers for police misconduct; they're very pro-police until some right-wing anti-government group points assault rifles at law enforcement.

The data and studies done on policing show there is a problem with training, but a bigger factor is the lack of accountability. For instance, in this case, the officer was found to be in the wrong with little consequence. This mirrors US Department of Justice reports in police departments across the country; police misconduct is either left under-investigated and if the complaint is sustained, there is little to no punishment, thus compounding the issue.

 

[Hammster]

Again, you can choose to ignore the data and studies if you wish. Carry on.

I’ve not ignored anything.

 

[Hammster]

I live in Scotland, and I have never been to the US. However from what I read and see about American police officers, I get the impression that many are just bullying thugs. This doesn't surprise me.

Don’t judge the police based on the anecdotal stories some choose to flood forums with.

 

[usexpat97]

I saw the video, and I think forfeiting one vacation day fits the crime. I'm good with it.

 

[98cwitr]

A Florida cop pushed a teenager off a roof. His punishment: Forfeiting one vacation day.



Police officers should not push people off roofs. Giving someone the option of jumping or having a taser used against you is not acceptable.

Or you could, you know, comply with them and avoid ALL of this.

 

[SummerMadness]

Don’t judge the police based on the anecdotal stories some choose to flood forums with.

Don't argue that anecdotal stories are the only evidence of a policing problem in America. Continue to ignore DOJ reports and scientific studies if you wish.

 

[SummerMadness]

Or you could, you know, comply with them and avoid ALL of this.

That's a poor argument; lack of compliance does not give a police officer free reign to use excessive force. Yes, he should have complied with police officers, but throwing him off a roof when he was going to head indoors with you is unacceptable. Likewise, subsequent arguments saying he didn't get hurt means it is okay does not fly either.

 

[Hammster]

Or you could, you know, comply with them and avoid ALL of this.

A lot of folks do. But that doesn’t get headlines, or fit the narrative.

 

[Hammster]

Don't argue that anecdotal stories are the only evidence of a policing problem in America. Continue to ignore DOJ reports and scientific studies if you wish.

There are no studies that support that cops are, as a whole, bad.

 

[usexpat97]

I appreciate the valued perspectives from two volunteers on this board who are, in fact, enforcement.

Yes, I think the police force was excessive. But yes, the fact that he was not seriously hurt does matter. The police got slapped on the wrist. But for this, a slap on the wrist is in order. The headline for this story makes it sound like some cop pushed some wide-eyed teen off the Empire State Building to their death, even as they were about to surrender. That is not what happened.

 

[A Gerbil]

There are no studies that support that cops are, as a whole, bad.

As a whole? It would be very frightening if true, however 'two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence'...

Intuition leads me to think that some of the people attracted to the job like the idea of being able to arrest, taser and shoot people, given that these are components of the job and are often glamourised in the media.

 

[Hammster]

As a whole? It would be very frightening if true, however 'two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence'...

Intuition leads me to think that some of the people attracted to the job like the idea of being able to arrest, taser and shoot people, given that these are components of the job and are often glamourised in the media.

Anything with studies from this century?

 

[usexpat97]

'two studies have found that at least 40% of police officer families experience domestic violence'...

I find it hard to believe the percentage is that LOW.

 

[usexpat97]

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All I'm saying is, the people I know personally with ties to law enforcement experience a far higher incidence of domestic abuse than 40%. And that's not even US-only.

 

[Hammster]

All I'm saying is, the people I know personally with ties to law enforcement experience a far higher incidence of domestic abuse than 40%. And that's not even US-only.

Which is nothing more than anecdotal evidence.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

All I'm saying is, the people I know personally with ties to law enforcement experience a far higher incidence of domestic abuse than 40%. And that's not even US-only.

This is expected , of course, and may be very conservative, or not.
The various law enforcement all (virtually if not actually) is subject to the worldly forces that have made 'abuse' a very big political thing, and 'domestic abuse' even bigger in some places - a huge political deal and money maker/ power play. (ie not related necessarily at all to reality any more)

 

[usexpat97]

Here's what's wild: I know this woman in a westernized country, husband was law enforcement. He retired from law enforcement, having never once discharged his weapon.

Divorced. Domestic abuse.

 

[SummerMadness]

And the OP calls me a staw man.

When you argue that someone is saying police officers, as a whole, are bad when no one said that, you're either being dishonest or ignorant of what was written in this thread. The data and studies from the DOJ and scientific studies have been posted in these threads before. But it won't matter, regardless of what is posted, you'll attempt to dismiss it without reading anything.

I'm quite sure that most that think there is no problem have read none of the DOJ reports about various police departments across the nation that consistently show the same issues arising.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

When you argue that someone is saying police officers, as a whole, are bad when no one said that, you're either being dishonest or ignorant of what was written in this thread. The data and studies from the DOJ and scientific studies have been posted in these threads before. But it won't matter, regardless of what is posted, you'll attempt to dismiss it without reading anything.

I'm quite sure that most that think there is no problem have read none of the DOJ reports about various police departments across the nation that consistently show the same issues arising.

Sorry if I missed that.
World wide, the police officers (and military forces, and other 'authorities' such),
are under the control of governments that do not have the best interest of the people in mind,
so in that regard in particular, as well as others,
they cannot be called good, can they?

The powers/ controls/ in the world are being summed up in babylon/ the beast, according to all Scripture... until Jesus Returns for His people, as written.

 

[Hammster]

When you argue that someone is saying police officers, as a whole, are bad when no one said that, you're either being dishonest or ignorant of what was written in this thread. The data and studies from the DOJ and scientific studies have been posted in these threads before. But it won't matter, regardless of what is posted, you'll attempt to dismiss it without reading anything.

I'm quite sure that most that think there is no problem have read none of the DOJ reports about various police departments across the nation that consistently show the same issues arising.

It's less a problem of many being bullying thugs and more that when the thugs act out, they are protected by their fellow officers. Moreover, there are all the water carriers for police misconduct; they're very pro-police until some right-wing anti-government group points assault rifles at law enforcement.

The data and studies done on policing show there is a problem with training, but a bigger factor is the lack of accountability. For instance, in this case, the officer was found to be in the wrong with little consequence. This mirrors US Department of Justice reports in police departments across the country; police misconduct is either left under-investigated and if the complaint is sustained, there is little to no punishment, thus compounding the issue.

So, it was not a straw man.