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No. The saved go to Paradise (or Abraham's Bosom) within the Realm of the Dead known as Sheol. The unsaved go to Hades or the Place of Torment (Where the rich-man went). Sheol is made up of two compartments. Abraham's Bosom and Hades. Please read my Commentary (along with the verses that go with it).

Oh, and yes. I am aware that Heaven is also called Paradise, too.
However, the Bible does have many homonyms within it; And looking at the context determines the use of that word, though....
In the story of Lazarus and the rich man, Lazarus was on the paradise side. But he was there before Jesus died on the cross and resurrected. So Lazarus was not saved. Lazarus was unsaved, but considered a righteous person, but not perfectly righteous. No-one is saved apart from Jesus;s shed blood and receiving salvation.

There have been righteous persons die and go to paradise for the past 2000 years, who have not heard of Jesus, so they are not saved. The bible does not say expressly when those persons will be given the opportunity to receive Jesus.
 
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Just as God refused Satan to take Job's life, God provides or allows the devil to use power so as to bring forth lying wonders (i.e. satanic miracles).

"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders" (2 Thessalonians 2:9).

This is nothing new. For we see the same thing done in the Old Testament.

Exodus 7:11, "Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments."
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Satan does not have the power to resurrect anyone. Anyone has the power to go out and shoot someone, kill them. But no-one has the power to bring them back to life. It is only by God's power.
 
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In the story of Lazarus and the rich man, Lazarus was on the paradise side. But he was there before Jesus died on the cross and resurrected. So Lazarus was not saved. Lazarus was unsaved, but considered a righteous person, but not perfectly righteous. No-one is saved apart from Jesus;s shed blood and receiving salvation.

There have been righteous persons die and go to paradise for the past 2000 years, who have not heard of Jesus, so they are not saved. The bible does not say expressly when those persons will be given the opportunity to receive Jesus.

No. Jesus said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." (John 8:56).

OT Saints were also saved by Christ or the Living Word. For they all looked to a future Messiah to forever take away their sin.
For the blood of goats and bulls never took away sin (permanently).

Also, Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him that very day in Paradise. Yet, Jesus said He would be in the heart of the Earth for 3 days and 3 nights.

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Satan does not have the power to resurrect anyone. Anyone has the power to go out and shoot someone, kill them. But no-one has the power to bring them back to life. It is only by God's power.

God sends certain unbelievers a strong delusion so that they will believe a lie (As a part of their unbelief in God). As a part of this delusion, God gives His power of raising the dead in this one particular instance to the devil as a part of the great delusion (of men seeing what they want to see). It's not a power that is a part of devil. It is a power given to him on loan for one particular instance.

Why?

Because it ultimately comes down to our having faith in God and not in the miracles that He can do.


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God gives His power of raising the dead in this one particular instance to the devil as a part of the great delusion (of men seeing what they want to see).
First of all, it doesn't say anywhere in the bible that God is going to give such a power to Satan. Anyone raised from the dead is by God's power.

When God brings the person back to life - do you think that the beast is going to give God the credit? Not hardly.

Let's say you witness the person come back to life, anyone there beside you can say it was by the power of (fill in the blank) whoever.

Are you expecting people to see Satan raise the person from the dead, the way that witnesses saw Jesus raise Lazarus? Nobody is going to see someone raise the person from the dead, he is just going to come back to life. And claim he did it himself. Because he will claim to be God.
 
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No. Jesus said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." (John 8:56).

OT Saints were also saved by Christ or the Living Word. For they all looked to a future Messiah to forever take away their sin.
For the blood of goats and bulls never took away sin (permanently).

Also, Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him that very day in Paradise. Yet, Jesus said He would be in the heart of the Earth for 3 days and 3 nights.

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No-one, not one single person was saved prior to the resurrection of Jesus.
To be saved a person has to be born again.

The thief went to Paradise with Jesus because that was the route to heaven. Jesus preached the gospel to them in Paradise who's souls would ascend to heaven emptying the righteous side of hades assuming they accepted the gospel message. It is not clear whether the wicked were given the same opportunity for salvation.

Do you think that Jesus is in hades right now or in heaven. To be absent from the body is to be present is the Lord. Which God's throne is in heaven.
 
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(Also, Anti-Christ's Resurrection Begins the Surviving Tribulation Saint's 1,335 Day of Testing):
What ends the Saints testing ? What day on the 7 year, 2520 day timeline ends the Saints testing?
 
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The Dead in Christ Are Taken From Abraham's Bosom By the Rapture:
(Both the Old Testament Saints and Church Age Saints in Abraham's Bosom Are Called to Rise To Meet the Lord in the Air. For in the Rapture: The Dead in Christ Shall Rise First):
When Jesus comes for the rapture/resurrection to redeem our bodies, who are these persons who come with him - from where?

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him
 
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The Middle of the Tribulation:
(Also Known As the "Middle of Daniel's 70th Week"):
(Last Month of the 1st Half of the Tribulation):
(30 Days Before the Midpoint Day of the Tribulation):

Anti-Christ Takes Jerusalem & The Temple Sacrifices Are Stopped:
(And the Gentile Nations Will Trod Down Upon the City for 42 Months):
(This capture of Jerusalem will happen 30 days prior to the Abomination of Desolation and this 42 month period of the "Trodding Down of the Gentiles" will conclude upon the completion of the 6th Trumpet with 30 more days left until the end of Daniel's 70th Week):

Daniel 11:31a NIV

His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice.
Daniel 12:11a NLT and Daniel 12:11b NLT

From the time the daily sacrifice is stopped... there will be 1,290 days.

Jason, there will be 1290 days... till when?

The 7 years are 2520 days long. On what day does the 1290 days begin and on what day does the 1290 days end?

On what day of the 2520 day timeline is the Abomination of Desolation setup to be worshiped?

On what day of the 2520 day timeline does the 42 months trodden down by the gentiles end?
 
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There is no other explanation for what the prophets say will happen, just read Psalms 50:1-3...God has spoken and summoned the earth. From the rising of the sun until its setting...... fire shall devour before Him and around Him a great storm rages.
This fits how a CME will affect the parts of the earth facing the sun, as it rotates. As Joel 2:2 says: as the morning spreads upon the mountains.....

Keras Keras Keras!!! The one who continues to pull verses out of context. The one who thinks he's the only one who knows old testament prophecies. The one who thinks he can use them to pull a wool over people's eyes.

Psalms 50:1-3 is clearly NOT about some CME. You don't seem to be concerned about your reputation and credibility do you? Just constantly pulls verses everywhere and claim it's about a CME.

Psalm 50:1-3 English Standard Version (ESV)
1 The Mighty One, God the LORD, speaks and summons the earth from the rising of the sun to its setting. 2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God shines forth. 3 Our God comes; he does not keep silence; before him is a devouring fire, around him a mighty tempest.

You don't understand what verse 3 means do you?

Near the end of the tribulation after the 6th bowl and Armageddon, all of Israel will be engulfed in fire from the nuclear war. After Armageddon, during the 7th bowl, Christ will bring a massive hurricane, the kind that can produce 100 pound hails to flood the area, extinguish all the fires and cleanse the land. (Revelation 16:18, Revelation 16:21).

Isaiah 28:2 New King James Version (NKJV)

Behold, the Lord has a mighty and strong one,
Like a tempest of hail and a destroying storm,
Like a flood of mighty waters overflowing,
Who will bring them down to the earth with His hand.

Isaiah 29:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
You will be punished by the Lord of hosts
With thunder and earthquake and great noise,
With storm and tempest
And the flame of devouring fire.

Isaiah 30:30 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Lord will cause His glorious voice to be heard,
And show the descent of His arm,
With the indignation of His anger
And the flame of a devouring fire,
With scattering, tempest, and hailstones.


Matthew 24:27 New King James Version (NKJV)

For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Daniel 9:26 New King James Version (NKJV)
“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

Hosea 6:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of the Lord.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.

Psalm 83:15 New King James Version (NKJV)
So pursue them with Your tempest,
And frighten them with Your storm.


Amos 1:14 New King James Version (NKJV)
But I will kindle a fire in the wall of Rabbah,
And it shall devour its palaces,
Amid shouting in the day of battle,
And a tempest in the day of the whirlwind.

Keras, the tempest in Psalms 50:3 is NOT a CME oh foolish one. A tempest is a hurricane!

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Will teach you something else you didn't know.

See when He comes before the end of the tribulation and during Armageddon He comes on a cloud (singular)?

Luke 21:25-28 New King James Version (NKJV)
25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

Revelation 14:14 New King James Version (NKJV)
Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.

And after the tribulation, you see Him on clouds (plural) because during the 7th bowl, He brings a hurricane.

Matthew 24:29-30 New King James Version (NKJV)
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mark 13:24-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.




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In John 3:13-15, Jesus is talking to Nicodemus, He goes on to say how He must die and be lifted up, in order that all who have faith in Him may have eternal life.

That's not what it means and it doesn't say He must die in John 3:13-15. It means to put Him first, make Him first and foremost in your life as a Christian, His words, His teachings and His commandment, than you will have eternal life. There's also a time in the future when He returns in great glory and finally be glorified by all His saints and those who come to believe in Him. 2 Thessalonians 1:10.















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A tempest is a hurricane!
So when did hurricanes have flames of devouring fire in them?
The shaking of the earth, Isaiah 24:1, Isaiah 13:13, Hebrews 12:26 will cause powerful winds, as well as earthquakes and tsunamis. All caused by the one thing that can: a CME of unprecedented magnitude.
Near the end of the tribulation after the 6th bowl and Armageddon, all of Israel will be engulfed in fire from the nuclear war. After Armageddon, during the 7th bowl, Christ will bring a massive hurricane, the kind that can produce 100 pound hails to flood the area, extinguish all the fires and cleanse the land
Your opinion only, nowhere is a nuke war prophesied. Every attack , Psalms 83, Ezekiel 38/39, Armageddon and the one at the end of the Millennium, are won by the Lord without a shot being fired.
At least you realize that the prophets aren't just saying empty words, what they say WILL happen.
That's not what it means and it doesn't say He must die in John 3:13-15. It means to put Him first, make Him first and foremost in your life as a Christian, His words, His teachings and His commandment, than you will have eternal life. There's also a time in the future when He returns in great glory and finally be glorified by all His saints and those who come to believe in Him. 2 Thessalonians 1:10.
You pre-trib rapture belief makes you say that, but most if not all Bible scholars agree that what Moses did was a sign and symbol of Jesus' death on the cross. Only be accepting His atoning death can we obtain eternal life.
No, John 3:13 means what it says, to everyone: No one goes to heaven. Period. Confirmed by John 17:15, John 8:21-22, John 7:34, and all the prophesies saying how the Lord's people will live in all of the holy Land. Why can't you believe that? Its going to be like heaven, as the Lord blesses His people. Ezekiel 34:11-31, Psalms 37:29
 
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So when did hurricanes have flames of devouring fire in them?
The shaking of the earth, Isaiah 24:1, Isaiah 13:13, Hebrews 12:26 will cause powerful winds, as well as earthquakes and tsunamis. All caused by the one thing that can: a CME of unprecedented magnitude.

Why would you think that Keras? Do you not know what happens during the trumpets leading up to the 6th bowl and then to the 7th bowl?

Aren't you a writer of bible prophecy study guides and not know these things? John 3:10

Your opinion only, nowhere is a nuke war prophesied. Every attack , Psalms 83, Ezekiel 38/39, Armageddon and the one at the end of the Millennium, are won by the Lord without a shot being fired.

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I think you've been watching too much Nigel Farage.

Zechariah 14:12 New King James Version (NKJV)
And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:

Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Want more scriptures about a nuclear war? I got a bunch saved in a folder and you know it because I've shown you those scriptures before making your words look foolish.


No, John 3:13 means what it says, to everyone: No one goes to heaven.

That's what you're saying today but tomorrow you'll want no one alive goes to heaven. And male virgins the next day.

and all the prophesies saying how the Lord's people will live in all of the holy Land.

And the prophecies also say they will die in the holy land.

You go ahead and move to Israel but when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place,” “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.











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Jason, if you are going to do a chronology. State the time frames found in the scripture first. There is no term 3 1/2 years in the text of the bible.

Here are the timeframes.

1260 days
42 months
time, times, half times

Well, saying 3 ½ years is the same thing as saying 42 months, 1,260 days, and a "time (1 year), times (2 year), a half."

42 months ÷ 12 months = 3.5 years (i.e. 3 ½ years).

Douggg said:
the 70th week,

The 70th week = 1 week. This 1 week lasts for 7 years and is known as the 7 year tribulation (that comes after the age of grace or the unknown time gap after the 69th week).

Douggg said:

While the words "seven years" does not appear in the KJV, it can be understood that the Tribulation is this long based on the fact that the 70th week divided in half = 1,260 days, or 42 months, when one compares Scripture with Scripture.

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the 3 1/2 days

The Witnesses (Moses and Elijah) are raised from the dead 3 ½ days later. You can see my placement of when they are raised in the 2nd Half of the Tribulation. I placed the event of their death and resurrection of their bodies after the sixth trumpet had sounded. For one, while it is possible that the Witnesses could appear only for the 2nd half of the Tribulation perfectly (i.e. the last 1,260 days), it also makes sense that their appearance would be similar to John the Baptist being a witness (And they could appear 30 days prior to the Abonimation of Desolation or the Midpoint of Daniel's 70th Week). In other words, their 30 day early appearance would serve as a purpose so as to warn others so as not to take the upcoming Mark of the Beast (In addition to one of the three angels in Revelation 14 saying the same thing first). So if the Witnesses appeared early, their departure would also end early by 30 days (Leaving time for the bowl judgments with Christ's Return so as to destroy the surrounding nations). Second, it seems unlikely that the people would be paying attention to anyone (Including the Witnesses) when the final "Bowl" or "Vial" Judgments hit (with the sounding of the 7th trumpet). It is also seems strange that the Witnesses would have to go thru darkness for an extended period of time (with one of the bowl judgments), too. The Witnesses are also raised up three and a half days later after they are killed. People are cheering and giving gifts to each other during this time because the Witnesses are dead. But if people have painful boils during the first bowl judgment whereby they are experiencing extreme pain whereby some of them are biting their tongues, it seems highly unlikely that they would also be giving gifts to each other and celebrating during this time. Also, each set of Judgments (i.e. the end of the seal, trumpet, and bowl judgments) we see an ending picture of the death and resurrection of Christ; This makes for a nice anti-picture of those who are rejecting the "free gift of grace" (That can only be found in Christ and our brokenness before Him that leads us to walk uprightly in Him). While I believe it is still possible that the Witnesses could be there perfectly for the 1,260 days exactly, the surrounding events would suggest otherwise.

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the 2300 days

After looking at this one again, the 2,300 days is in reference to the amount of time after the Old Temple is rebuilt; The 2,300 days is a time dedicated for man's false purposes involving God's Temple from the Old Testament. At the starting point of the breaking of the 1st seal or the start of the 7 Year Tribulation, 220 days will pass into the Tribulation, and the Jews will set up the Temple and begin the Temple sacrifices (Making it an unclean temple because the animal sacrifices are no longer acceptable to God). This temple will be taken over by the Anti-Christ and will continue to be unclean until the end of the Tribulation (Thereby fulfilling the 2,300 days of the Temple not being clean).

Important Note: Again, after the 220 days, there is 2300 days left in the Tribulation period (i.e. If you were to subtract 2,300 days from 2,520 days (7 years), you get 220 days).

But when will the temple be cleansed according to Daniel 8:14? Well, this event take place at the end of the Tribulation, when the Temple is destroyed. This is when the Temple will be cleansed. For every stone of the temple will be thrown down and it will later be burned up by a great fire (For the whole Earth will be purified with fire similar to destruction of the Global Flood but more effective in cleansing this Earth so as not to leave any Earthly relics of our old world behind).

Douggg said:
the 1290 days

Daniel 12:11 – from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

This means that there will be 1,290 days of abomination, meaning 30 days before Jacob’s trouble, the temple becomes defiled (even more). This is the warning for sign Jews to flee Jerusalem, as described in Revelation 12.

Douggg said:
the 1335 day

As for the saint being blessed for having reached the 1,335th day in Daniel 12:12:

This is the Tribulation saint who actually was lucky enough to have not been martred for his faith and yet able to still be faithful to Jesus.
The 1,335th day obviously ends when the saints are taken up in the Second Rapture sometime shortly before the arrival of Christ's Second Coming. Now, the beginning of the 1,335th testing point of the saint is a little foggy. But it is reasonable to assume that day 1 out of 1,335 days can happen when the Anti-Christ is resurrected from the dead whereby he will deceive the whole world into following him. In fact, many in the faith will be deceived into backing this guy (No doubt because they do not think prophecy talks about a literal antichrist). Anyways, the believer will be under pressure to follow him by other believers in Christ (Who are misguided).


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First of all, it doesn't say anywhere in the bible that God is going to give such a power to Satan. Anyone raised from the dead is by God's power.

When God brings the person back to life - do you think that the beast is going to give God the credit? Not hardly.

Let's say you witness the person come back to life, anyone there beside you can say it was by the power of (fill in the blank) whoever.

Are you expecting people to see Satan raise the person from the dead, the way that witnesses saw Jesus raise Lazarus? Nobody is going to see someone raise the person from the dead, he is just going to come back to life. And claim he did it himself. Because he will claim to be God.

Scripture is clear that the antichrist will die and come back to life (Revelation 13:3, Revelation 13:11-12, Revelation 17:8).

How this happens is no doubt by God's power. For all of creation is the result of God.

For do you think satan has no power or abilities whatseover at his disposal?
Where does the powers of satan come from?


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Jason, there will be 1290 days... till when?

The 7 years are 2520 days long. On what day does the 1290 days begin and on what day does the 1290 days end?

On what day of the 2520 day timeline is the Abomination of Desolation setup to be worshiped?

On what day of the 2520 day timeline does the 42 months trodden down by the gentiles end?

First, I said I would give you an answer; And I just recently gave you one today. But badgering me beforehand when I was honestly busy and doing my own personal study with God's Word here is not nice (let alone a Christian trait), my friend. For patience is one of the fruits of the Spirit. In other words, next time, cut some people some slack in when they reply. Instead, pray about it and love others in return (and be open to being wrong).

Second, as a response to your post here, see my Post #95.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/a-chronology-of-the-end-times.7968404/page-5#post-70244246

I hope this helps.
And may God bless you.


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Why would you think that Keras? Do you not know what happens during the trumpets leading up to the 6th bowl and then to the 7th bowl?
The 7 Trumpets and 7Bowls happen during the Great Trib, in the last 3 1/2 years before the Return.
I think you've been watching too much Nigel Farage.
As I live in New Zealand, we don't have the plethora of false teachers here, fortunately.
Zechariah 14:12 does not prove a nuke war. The effects described are not actually a radiation sickness, but something more like flesh eating bacteria.
That's what you're saying today but tomorrow you'll want no one alive goes to heaven. And male virgins the next day.
I am simply refuting the 'whisked away to heaven' false teaching. Its a Satanic lie and you have fallen for it.
And the prophecies also say they will die in the holy land.
That part of the prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD. The Christians escaped then, to Pella, in Northern Jordan safely.
What objection could you have to the many prophesies saying that the Lord's Christian people will live in the holy Land?
Proved by Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 13:7, they all say the holy people are there during the GT. And do not think they are just Jews, because Isaiah 66:18b and Revelation 5:9-10 says they are people from every tribe, race, nation and language, all true Christians.
 
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No-one, not one single person was saved prior to the resurrection of Jesus.
To be saved a person has to be born again.

The thief went to Paradise with Jesus because that was the route to heaven. Jesus preached the gospel to them in Paradise who's souls would ascend to heaven emptying the righteous side of hades assuming they accepted the gospel message. It is not clear whether the wicked were given the same opportunity for salvation.

Do you think that Jesus is in hades right now or in heaven. To be absent from the body is to be present is the Lord. Which God's throne is in heaven.

Old Testament saints were born again. The words used instead of "born again" was "circumcision of the heart", instead.

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Circumcision of the Heart in the Old Testament.

(Which is obviously a spiritual renewal of one's heart):

Deuteronomy 10:16

"Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked."

Deuteronomy 30:6

"And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

Jeremiah 4:4

"Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings."

Ezekiel 44:9

"Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel."

Leviticus 26:41

"And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:."

Jeremiah 9:26

"Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart."​

Having A New Heart in the Old Testament:

Ezekiel 11:19

"And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh"

Ezekiel 18:31

"Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?"

Ezekiel 36:26

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."​

Circumcision of the Heart in the New Testament:

Acts 7:51

"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."​

Spiritual Circumcision in the New Testament:

Philippians 3:3

"For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh."

Romans 2:28-29

28 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

Colossians 2:11

"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ"​


In addition, Jesus said to Nicodemus that he should have known what he was talking about in regards to being "born again", too. Here is a video of the scene taken from the movie called "Gospel of John" which is based on the "Good News Translation."


Also, David said this in the Psalms, too.

"Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me." (Psalms 51:10-11).


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When Jesus comes for the rapture/resurrection to redeem our bodies, who are these persons who come with him - from where?

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him

In the Pre-Trib Rapture, we do not receive physical bodies, but it will be more like temporary angelic spirit bodies. For in the Pre-Trib Rapture, it will be a spiritual resurrection (and not a physical flesh and blood resurrection). For Christ said, "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" (Matthew 22:30).

As for the physical flesh and blood resurrection: Well, Christ continues to speak and He alludes to the physical flesh and blood resurrection in Matthew 22:31-32.

Please take note that the dead RISE first in the Pre-Trib Rapture. If the saints were already in Heaven, then where exactly are they rising from? According to Scripture, the saints who are dead currently, are in Abraham's bosom. This is where they will be rising up from when the Rapture takes place.


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