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A Christian Response to White Privilege

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Peter J Barban, May 30, 2019.

  1. Daniel C

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    Sure, let's not reject it immediately.

    First you need to identify the problem before you can find the solution.

    So define what white privilege is and how it works, so it can be resolved.
     
  2. RDKirk

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    If Willis abandoned the march because of a negative post she read in Facebook, it sounds to me that she wasn't serious about the cause in the first place.

    Clearly, she would not have made it as a Freedom Rider.
     
  3. Belk

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    This is the debate forum. If you are unable to explain your position this might not be the correct forum for you.
     
  4. Shiloh Raven

    Shiloh Raven "After all this time?" Always.

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    Pot meet kettle. The initial complaint is against the phrase "check your privilege," as a way to shame people into silence, but then the OP later posts a video using the terms SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS and RACISTS. The terms Social Justice Warrior and racists are both used to shame people into silence because they have the nerve to address racism against minorities and discrimination against LGBT.

    Social justice warrior (SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism, as well as identity politics.

    Social justice warrior - Wikipedia
     
  5. Pavel Mosko

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    The problem much of "White privilege" comes from past social engineering, especially "the War on poverty" of the Johnson administration. Specifically much of what we call "white privilege" is simply the fact that many are born into 2 parent families, while many blacks are born in families that only have a mother. And much of that actually comes from past policies of welfare and other social programs that financially incentivized father's being absent, that moved black families from poor neighborhoods where they had extended family that helped raise their kids, church friends etc. into high rise low cost apartments/ section 8 housing that was often miles away from family and friends.


    And now people want to do more social engineering to correct the problem.... Come to think of it, The social engineering of Democrats like Woodrow Wilson is largely the reason why racism in the past was such a problem in this country with them forcing segregated bathrooms etc. on businesses, the military etc.
     
  6. Pommer

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    I got just this far and needed to say that if you’ve couched the topic thusly in your opening, yeah, you do not understand the concept of white privilege very well.

    (On to the rest of your missive!)
     
  7. RDKirk

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    No, that's not what White privilege is. White privilege may have been a factor in that acquisition, but the acquisition itself is not White privilege.

    White privilege is being given the benefit of the doubt in American situations where a black person would not be given that benefit of the doubt.

    There is a YouTube edition of "What Would You Do?" in which they variously had a young white guy, a similarly dressed young black guy, and then a young white blonde women each sawing the security chain off a bicycle in a park.

    None of the passersby gave the young white man more than a glance, but a number of them accosted the black man, accusing him of stealing the bike.

    When questioned by the television crew, one of the passersby of the white man even stated outright, "He was a white guy so he probably wasn't stealing it."

    Interestingly, some people actually offered to help the blonde saw off the chain, so there is such a thing as "pretty girl privilege" as well.

    White privilege is a one-on-one, situational decision. "The benefit of the doubt" given to people just because they are white (and often people who aren't white grant privilege to white people) works for getting jobs, getting loans, not getting arrested, not being accosted "while being black."

    In many cases, it's not so much a matter of "white privilege" these days as a matter of "black impediment."
     
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  8. Pommer

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    Assuming that simply everyone has the means to obtain a 401k is an indication of your privilege.

    Some years ago I had a delightful Thanksgiving in Madison WI.. As the hostess was putting up the leftovers, she made sure to “save the mashed potatoes”; I asked aloud, “who saves mashed potatoes!?”
    I was sternly but gently reminded that the household was “poor”, and that my comment was boorishly ignorant of their circumstances.
     
  9. iluvatar5150

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    That's asinine. The subject of "privilege" doesn't mean everybody is a millionaire.



    Were you or your parents ever denied loans, educations, jobs, housing, or access to public services because of the color of your/their skin?

    No?

    Then you're the product of at least some degree of privilege.

    No, it's not less valuable, but it might be based on some faulty assumptions and/or fail to account for certain complications.

    Right now, in this country and in much of the world, white people rule things.
     
  10. Sparagmos

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    You have never been followed in a store because of your skin color. You likely have never had to wonder if you didn’t get a promotion because of your skin color. You do not have to combat negative stereotypes due to your race. You have never experienced racial housing or loan discrimination. People do not cross the street to avoid you because they are afraid of you simply because of your skin color. You have never had a hard time hailing a cab because of your skin color. The majority of lead actors and superheroes have your skin color.

    The bottom line is, whatever your situation, it would be even worse if you were black or Latino, because in addition to whatever challenges you have in life, you would be dealing with systemic racism.
     
  11. Sparagmos

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    If you were asked to check your privilege when suggesting some one invest in a 401K my guess is that the person was asking you to consider the fact that being able to invest in a 401k is a luxury for many folks, or not even something they are offered at work. Or that even if they could invest a tiny amount, it doesn’t address their current financial problems.

    I work in a field where I interact a lot with low income folks. One of my coworkers, whose husband makes a lot of money, was having her house renovated. She would complain in front of minimum wage workers what an inconvenience the renovation process was. She cared a lot for these people, yet was unaware of how privileged she was to be able to renovate her home, and how it made ppl feel when she complained about it. That would be another example.
     
  12. Sparagmos

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    Studies with these kind of controls have found racial bias in lending, hiring, and the ability to get a ride:

    Uber and Lyft Are Failing Black Riders

    Minorities Who 'Whiten' Job Resumes Get More Interviews

    For people of color, banks are shutting the door to homeownership
     
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  13. 98cwitr

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    Huge shift to the topic of discussion and your examples are red herrings. I am asking for specifics from the OP in regards to his experience and the experience of Roy.

    If you'd like to discuss those things, I am more than willing to do so in a different thread.
     
  14. Shiloh Raven

    Shiloh Raven "After all this time?" Always.

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  15. The IbanezerScrooge

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    I witnessed what I attributed to white privilege just this weekend at the beach.

    We arrived and setup our tent. There was a group of African-American teens/young 20's camped just down from us playing music a little too loudly for my taste, but I'm not one to confront people over petty things. However this one woman who just seemed to be walking along the beach (we'd seen her pass by already) said something to them about the music. There was an exchange of words, nothing too heated and it resulted in the guys turning down their music. Shortly after they packed up and left. Shortly after that a group of white teens and what I assumed were their parents came and setup on the other side of us. They too began playing music loudly (slightly louder than the other guys, but that could have been due to their seemingly closer proximity to us). Interestingly it was the same genre of music: rap. We saw the woman who complained to the African-American walk by at least three more times with nary a glance at the white teens and their music.

    Now, it's perfectly possible that the woman decided she just didn't feel like another confrontation over the same issue, or any other number of reasons. But I noted that she just didn't even seem to acknowledge the white group at all.
     
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  16. Sparagmos

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    Studies demonstrating preference for whites in hiring and loans aren’t related to the topic of white privilege? They certainly are to those of us who regularly discuss and teach the idea of white privelege...
     
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  17. USincognito

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    The part in blue tells us you don't know what white privilege is, so your assertion in red can be rejected.
     
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  18. Shimokita

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    I am privileged to be black, I dunno about the rest of y’all.
     
  19. USincognito

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    Guests don't know your work history. For all they know you could have started that day. Here's your situation in your own context:
    - You're walking down the hall and someone stops you and asks if you can send housekeeping up to their room early.
    - You're walking down the hall and someone stops you and asks if you can clean their room early.
     
  20. Danielwright2311

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    I do both, as a good manager, I cater the the hotel guests, period.

    In order to run a useful hotel you have to sometimes do things others do not want to do.

    There is no privileged white people, just spoiled lazy white people who do not want to work for what they got.

    All my staff are Indian, they live right on the Indian reservation, and they work just as hard as me, but they do not want to work the hours I work and they do not want to do the jobs I do around the hotel.

    I ask them all the time, and they do not want to do them.

    Its not a race issue, its a lazy issue, I'm not calling my staff lazy God forbid.

    What I am doing is showing how a white man who has a business license from schooling works harder then most all the staff. And I never wanted to be the manager and sometimes wish I was not.

    Any one can come here and have my position, if there willing to learn all I know, and work the hours i work and do the type of jobs I do for the money i make.

    I work very hard for my position and Money, what little I do make on salary verses hours.
     
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