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He's a rapid-fire science spouter, if you ask me.

Do you mean that he's somewhat informative where cladistics are concerned? Personally, I'd be willing to say that he is even if I don't agree with his atheism.
 
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If science is so quiet, how did Roe v Wade get passed?
It get passed by the Supreme Court. The Supreme Justices aren't scientists and scientists don't sit on the Supreme Court. For an American, you are astonishingly ignorant of your own country.

why are the Ten Commandments off of our courthouse lawns?
Because of the First Amendment of the American Constitution. Which isn't a scientific text. For an American, you are astonishingly ignorant of your own country.
 
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So does atheism and agnosticism; especially in the area of cause-and-effect evidence.

Care to give an example?

Merry Christmas
How is "Merry Christmas" cause-and-effect evidence of atheist and agnostic dishonesty?
Please explain it in detail. Step by step. Don't be shy to assume me an Immensely Idiotic Ignoramus, to which everything needs to be explained. I prefer boredom over brevity and redundancy over lack of clarity.
Please explain.
 
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What do you mean by "cause-and-effect evidence"?
Do you have a certain example in mind?

I suppose I'll save AV the trouble of making his list again, since he did it for me.

Here it is:
  1. The Bible
  2. Time divided into BC and AD.
  3. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
  4. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
  5. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
  6. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
  7. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
  8. Christmas & Easter
  9. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
  10. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
  11. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.
  12. Two major nations founded on His existence.
No, I don't get why he considers it to be cause-and-effect evidence either. I'm sure he thinks it's self-evident, and we're so stuck in our ways that we're blinding ourselves to the obvious. But he's missing at least one vital logical step there.
 
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I suppose I'll save AV the trouble of making his list again, since he did it for me.

Here it is:
  1. The Bible
  2. Time divided into BC and AD.
  3. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
  4. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
  5. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
  6. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
  7. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
  8. Christmas & Easter
  9. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
  10. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
  11. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.
  12. Two major nations founded on His existence.
No, I don't get why he considers it to be cause-and-effect evidence either. I'm sure he thinks it's self-evident, and we're so stuck in our ways that we're blinding ourselves to the obvious. But he's missing at least one vital logical step there.
Well, in a later post i wrote "
How is "Merry Christmas" cause-and-effect evidence of atheist and agnostic dishonesty?
Please explain it in detail. Step by step. Don't be shy to assume me an Immensely Idiotic Ignoramus, to which everything needs to be explained. I prefer boredom over brevity and redundancy over lack of clarity.
Please explain
."
I am eager to see how well he will fare.
 
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In six days?
God is outside of time and space. Six days, six seconds, 6 billion years is all the same w/o spacetime. The anchient Hebrews would not have understood spacetime so God didn't burden with it. Unfortunately creationists still don't understand spacetime.
 
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God is outside of time and space. Six days, six seconds, 6 billion years is all the same w/o spacetime. The anchient Hebrews would not have understood spacetime so God didn't burden with it. Unfortunately creationists still don't understand spacetime.
As a proponent of Theistic Evolution and also a creationist, I think we have a pretty good understanding of spacetime. But I understand what you are saying. But not all creationists are YEC.
 
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I suppose I'll save AV the trouble of making his list again, since he did it for me.

Here it is:
Thank you, Yttrium.

He needs to catch up in this thread.
 
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Inside, outside, or anyside, God said "six days."

That means it was more than four, but less than seven.
According to Hebrews and Christians did God write the bible or did he inspire the writing? You claim a literal reading of the bible, numerous Hebrew and Christian denominations don't. My point is that it makes much more sense for the bible to be written so that the scribes writing the God's word and the generations coming later could not only understand the words but the words would also correspond to the overwhelming evidence for evolution.
 
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According to Hebrews and Christians did God write the bible or did he inspire the writing? You claim a literal reading of the bible, numerous Hebrew and Christian denominations don't. My point is that it makes much more sense for the bible to be written so that the scribes writing the God's word and the generations coming later could not only understand the words but the words would also correspond to the overwhelming evidence for evolution.
Are you familiar with verbal plenary inspiration?
 
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Are you familiar with verbal plenary inspiration?
Are you familiar with ~40,000 Christian denominations writing numerous apologetics as to what those verbal plenary inspirations where meant to be? In any event I think you just have proven it comes down to what one believes. Without belief what would be the value of faith?
 
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Are you familiar with ~40,000 Christian denominations writing numerous apologetics as to what those verbal plenary inspirations where meant to be?
Are you familiar with some ten different theories as to how we got our moon?
 
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Are you familiar with some ten different theories as to how we got our moon?
Are you familiar with the fact that no scientist is presenting one of them as absolute indisputable fact?

Those different Christian denominations can't say the same thing, can they?
 
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