A Biblical View of Unjustified Suffering

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A Biblical View of Unjustified Suffering

A common question people ask or imply is that if God is just then how can He allow unjustified suffering to occur. There's unjustified suffering by design, that which is a byproduct of nature whether it be disease, natural disasters, or the like, or whether one be victimized by others intent on doing harm.

Slaver-owners (or employers) abuse of their slaves (or employees) is such an example. Yet the Bible says to the Christian, "Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God." 1Peter 2:18-20

The text goes on to equate that kind of unjustified suffering with that of Jesus, whose death atoned for sin. "For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness——by whose stripes you were healed." 1Peter 2:21-24

There are two parts to justice. One arm of justice punishes evil. The other arm demands compensation for victims of unjustified suffering. When a persons suffers unjustly God is OBLIGATED by His judicial nature to compensate that person for having suffered unjustly. Though, realize that He has all eternity to compensate victims. But this was the way that Jesus atoned for sin. By suffering as an innocent victim, Jesus earned compensation. And with that compensation paid for the sins of the world. In this way Christ died for sins.

So "those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good." 1Peter 4:19

Those who practice this kind of meekness show that they believe God is just and that they will be compensated for their sufferings.
 

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1Peter 2:19 "it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering" (NIV)
Peter is referring to injustice of men. There is no injustice with God. We forgive men for such treatment while blessing the God who ordained and sent it.
 
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Peter is referring to injustice of men. There is no injustice with God. We forgive men for such treatment while blessing the God who ordained and sent it.

I understood that to be what the OP meant in the first two sentences:

A common question people ask or imply is that if God is just then how can He allow unjustified suffering to occur. There's unjustified suffering by design, that which is a byproduct of nature whether it be disease, natural disasters, or the like, or whether one be victimized by others intent on doing harm.
 
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Peter is referring to injustice of men. There is no injustice with God. We forgive men for such treatment while blessing the God who ordained and sent it.
And how would you classify the sufferings of Christ on the cross. Was God pouring out his wrath on an innocent man, or did "you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross" Acts 2:23?

Note:
"it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering" 1Peter 2:19
"To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." 1Peter 2:21,22


Same Context.
 
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We live in a fallen world. Sometimes bad things happen to us for no other reason than that. That is why Jesus said, "In this world you will have trouble, but take heart for I have overcome the world". When we are saved bad things still happen, but we are now empowered by Christ to rise above them. This is also one way that we become lights to the world, by letting others see how we handle adversity differently than everyone else.
 
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And how would you classify the sufferings of Christ on the cross. Was God pouring out his wrath on an innocent man, or did "you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross" Acts 2:23?

Note:
"it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering" 1Peter 2:19
"To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." 1Peter 2:21,22


Same Context.
Although men were unjust in their dealings with Jesus, it was right and good for God to punish Him.
 
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We live in a fallen world. Sometimes bad things happen to us for no other reason than that. That is why Jesus said, "In this world you will have trouble, but take heart for I have overcome the world". When we are saved bad things still happen, but we are now empowered by Christ to rise above them. This is also one way that we become lights to the world, by letting others see how we handle adversity differently than everyone else.

Yes, it is a fallen world.

If good things only happened to good people and bad things only happened to bad people, that would not be a fallen world, that would be a just world.

But this is a fallen world.

For He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. -- Matthew 5

Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them--do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! -- Luke 13
 
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A Biblical View of Unjustified Suffering

A common question people ask or imply is that if God is just then how can He allow unjustified suffering to occur. There's unjustified suffering by design, that which is a byproduct of nature whether it be disease, natural disasters, or the like, or whether one be victimized by others intent on doing harm.

Slaver-owners (or employers) abuse of their slaves (or employees) is such an example. Yet the Bible says to the Christian, "Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh. For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully. For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God." 1Peter 2:18-20

The text goes on to equate that kind of unjustified suffering with that of Jesus, whose death atoned for sin. "For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness——by whose stripes you were healed." 1Peter 2:21-24

There are two parts to justice. One arm of justice punishes evil. The other arm demands compensation for victims of unjustified suffering. When a persons suffers unjustly God is OBLIGATED by His judicial nature to compensate that person for having suffered unjustly. Though, realize that He has all eternity to compensate victims. But this was the way that Jesus atoned for sin. By suffering as an innocent victim, Jesus earned compensation. And with that compensation paid for the sins of the world. In this way Christ died for sins.

So "those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good." 1Peter 4:19

Those who practice this kind of meekness show that they believe God is just and that they will be compensated for their sufferings.
Paul prayed many times for his thorn in the flesh to be removed and it was not, because it was there to help him.

This messed up world is actually the very best place to help willing individuals fulfill their earthly objective.

We all look forward to being in heaven where there are no needy people, no sorrow, no death, and no sin.

This earth is not to be heaven, if we did not need this earth to be the way it is, we could all start out in heaven.

Is death bad in and of itself?

The same situation which strengths a person faith, will harden another person’s heart, so should God stop providing the message and/or the situation which will soften the accepting heart?


This world is full of tragedies, which can also be viewed as opportunities to help humans fulfill their earthly objective.

We have an earthly objective.


The story of Adam and Eve (Gen 3)(you do not have to believe it is true to get the message) is told very early, because all individuals ask the question: “Why would a truly Loving God not put us all in a Garden type situation?” The story of A&E explains why we are in our situation:

1. God desires is that we all be in a Garden type situation, but God quenches His own desire to provide a better situation for us to fulfill our earthly objective.

2. Our earthly object is not to “worship God”, “to never/ever sin”, run around free, just don’t sin, or be good. God does not need anything from us, but is just trying to give something to us. God is trying to give us the greatest power in all universes; the power that compels God to do all He does, but that power cannot be forced on us (take it or I torture you) or can it be instinctive to man (robotically programmed in humans). It is a gift from God that is totally undeserved and unconditional (so it is Charity), but man has to accept the gift as it was given. Humans, instinctive to survival, (which is good for man to have) does not help an individual to want to take charity especially if it comes at a huge cost to the giver.

3. The gift is Godly type Love which is best defined by Christ’s words and deeds. God will do all he can to help those that are willing to accept His help, fulfill their earthly objective of accepting His Love and growing that Love. Included in “all that God will do and allow to happen” are: Christ going to the cross, satan roaming the earth, sin, hell and tragedies of all kinds.

4. First off; death is the way good people get to go home and the way bad people stop doing bad stuff, so death is not “bad” in and of itself.

5. It is truly unfortunate and not God’s desire that tragedies have to occur. God has to quench His desire to allow tragedies, for man’s sake to help humans accept Love. People have to see, experience, witness, receive and even give Godly type Love, before they will even understand and desire such a Love. Some even after receiving Godly type Love from an individual just like themselves will not want it or explain it away (justifying in their own mind: the person is just trying to gain respect or earn their way to heaven or they are making up for the bad they have done).

6. Everyone on earth is needy, because everyone has hurt others (sinned) and should feel the burden of the sin at least for a while. Their creator is trying to give them Love in the form of forgiveness so they will Love (the Bible and life teach us: “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…”) If we realize and except forgiveness of an unbelievable huge debt created by our sins, we will automatically receive an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love) that is truly ours.

7. There are a huge amount of sever tragedies in this world, but they are really opportunities for good people to show, give, experience, grow and witness Godly type Love. With all those tragedies some good people are still not responding, so are more needed? It is not our job to provide tragedies, but to solve, reduce, eliminate all we can, by allowing the Spirit to work through us.

8. Scripture tells us the needy will be with us always on this earth. Christ did not “heal” all those that were sick, but used those tragedies around Him to express Godly Love and show us how we are to handle tragedies (serve others with Love). Healing everyone without the witness of Godly type Love being seen in serving individual like any other person would not get other people to accept God’s Love in faith and humility, but we could grow from the experience.

9. This world is not our Home and our rest comes later. It is both a privilege and Honor to allow the Holy Spirit to work through us in serving others in this world to best help everyone around us to accept God’s Love (fulfill their objective).

10. If you had to find the most Christ Like person in the world today, where would you look?

I see Jesus explaining it in John 9: 1-7.

In John 9: 1-7 you have a tragedy (the apostles are asking about a specific tragedy, but they do not know this individual and are thinking in general terms [you need to get into their head]).

Jesus does not say: “this tragedy was caused by: Adam/Eve sinning, Satan, sin, bad luck, God or evil in the world (those have been our answers).”

Jesus does not say: “It was because of the bad that happened”, but does say: “This is for the good that can (and in this case will) happen.”

If you have lived for very long, you have seen good come from some tragedies, but why not all tragedies?

Is someone keeping good from coming from every tragedy?

Everything that is happening in the world right now (disease, natural disasters, and tragedies of all kinds) are not the result of the bad that has happened (or Adam and Eve), but is the result of the GOOD that can happen!

God is quenching His desire to have us all in a Garden type situation to help us fulfill our objective.

Everything starts and ends with the objective;


The objective of humans is to: “Love God (and secondly others) with all your heart, soul, mind, and energy and Love others.” The definition of “Love” is key for it is not instinctive or just emotional but it is Love of your enemies, described by Jesus’ life and Paul in 1 Cor. 13 and by John. It requires a free will moral decision to Love over likely alternatives (the perceived pleasures of sin for a season). The fall was tragic and not God’s desire, but may have been both inevitable and necessary. For all humans since the fall that have come to Love God started out by accepting God’s Love in the form of forgiveness.

Needy people create opportunities to experience, see, accept, express and receive Godly type Love. Everyone needs the full opportunity to accept Godly type Love which may have to be done when the person reaches the bottom like the prodigal son.

The innocent that died as the result of God’s action may not really suffer as far as we know.

There would have to be some benefit for humans to have faith that would help them fulfill their objective, over not needing faith, so what is the benefit?

1. We either have faith in self or we put our trust in God. Self-reliance has to do with our money, country, insurance, family, friends, achievements and pride, while reliance on God is just the opposite and requires putting self aside; going from being perceived independent to being dependent on God.

2. Faith in God is a humbling experience, because it is something that the lowliest person can do and actually maybe more likely to do. You are no better than the lowliest believing person when it comes to faith.

3. Believing God/trusting God comes out of an admitted need for help. We all need help all the time, but might not feel or admit that need strongly until in a tragedy and if we live long enough we will all experience tragedies. Turning to God is an easy act of humility (made easy by tragedies), and we need humility to accept charity. God’s forgiveness of our sins is an act of charity (grace/mercy/Love). “…he that is forgiven much will Love much…” and thus fulfill our earthly objective by just accepting charity.

4. Faith can produce humility, and humility allows one to accept charity, and forgiveness is Charity and forgiveness produces Love.

Did Adam and Eve have faith? Did the Jews that crossed the Red Sea have faith? Is faith needed in heaven? Is our faith the determining factor to our salvation?
 
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