A Biblical Defense of Bible Alone + The Anointing to Understand It

[thecolorsblend]

It was in a, or some of the prophecies from some of the eastern religions that the wise men (from the east) were from and/or were a part of...?

And others seemed to know about it as well, some of the Jews, like Herod... Don't know exactly where they got it from or how they knew about it exactly though...?

But it wasn't "just the Bible" or the Jewish/Hebrew/Israelite religion only...

God Bless!

Yeah, it’s almost like they had some kind of non-scripture source for information or something. Wacky, eh?

 

[thecolorsblend]

Numbers 24:17
"I see him, but at a later time, ... A star will come out of Jacob, A scepter shall rise out of Israel. It will break Moab and tear down the people of Seth." (VOICE).

Numbers 24:17
"I see someone who will come some day. ... A star will come from Jacob. A ruler will rise from Israel. He will crush the heads of the Moabites. He will smash the skulls of the sons of Sheth." (ICB).

Numbers 24:17
"I see someone ·who will come someday [but not now], someone who will come, but not soon [I see him, but not near]. A star will come from Jacob; a ruler [scepter] will rise from Israel [Saul, then David and his descendants, including the Messiah]. He will crush the heads of the Moabites and smash the skulls of the sons of Sheth." (EXB).

Not seeing the part that says there would be a literal star which would become visible at the moment of the Messiah’s birth. Can you find that verse please? Thanks!

 

[Neogaia777]

Yeah, it’s almost like they had some kind of non-scripture source for information or something. Wacky, eh?

Well, it probably was "spiritual"...

But, what kind or type of Spirit, and/or good or bad, is the question...?

Was it the one meant to lead the wise men to Jesus so they could bow to him or before him, and recognize and/or show honor and respect and or pay homage, or do obeisance to what/who they knew was going to be the future king of the entire world and/or Heaven...?

Or was it the one who really, desperately wanted that baby killed, and "now", and "right now," or soon, or before he became much of a problem and/or threat...?

That is the question...?

God Bless!

 

[mark kennedy]

Well, it probably was "spiritual"...

But, what kind or type of Spirit, and/or good or bad, is the question...?

Was it the one meant to lead the wise men to Jesus so they could bow to him or before him, and recognize and/or show honor and respect and or pay homage, or do obeisance to what/who they knew was going to be the future king of the entire world and/or Heaven...?

Or was it the one who really, desperately wanted that baby killed, and "now", and "right now," or soon, or before he became much of a problem and/or threat...?

That is the question...?

God Bless!

I heard an interesting thing recently, the Magi didn't ride in on camels, they rode in on Arabian steeds and probably had a cavalry unit with them. They didn't work for kings, they were king makers and at the time, Persia didn't have a king because he was deposed by the Magi. Still trying to track down the details but Herod had reason to fear the fact that the Magi wanted to so honor one born king, when he obviously occupied the throne and these people represented enormous political influence. Danial in Babylon, was made overseer of the Magi, others included, but they were probably very well acquainted with Old Testament prophecy. That's why they were there, they knew about the promised Messiah and how they knew about that star is anyone's guess. The bulk of his forces were off somewhere fighting, Herod made a desperate attempt to save his throne from what he would have considered an imminent threat.

Just a few fun facts, now back to the regularly scheduled discussion.

 

[Tigger45]

The Magi weren’t Jews and being driven by scripture but probably used astrology and astronomy as a means of guidance.

 

[Neogaia777]

I heard an interesting thing recently, the Magi didn't ride in on camels, they rode in on Arabian steeds and probably had a cavalry unit with them. They didn't work for kings, they were king makers and at the time, Persia didn't have a king because he was deposed by the Magi. Still trying to track down the details but Herod had reason to fear the fact that the Magi wanted to so honor one born king, when he obviously occupied the throne and these people represented enormous political influence. Danial in Babylon, was made overseer of the Magi, others included, but they were probably very well acquainted with Old Testament prophecy. That's why they were there, they knew about the promised Messiah and how they knew about that star is anyone's guess. The bulk of his forces were off somewhere fighting, Herod made a desperate attempt to save his throne from what he would have considered an imminent threat.

Just a few fun facts, now back to the regularly scheduled discussion.

Well, think about it for a minute, God tells Mary and Joseph to flee to Egypt, when Jesus was born, because the star led some men (the Magi) to where he (Jesus) was just born, and Herod tries to get the info from the Magi by trying to trick and deceive them about his intentions and wanting them to report back to him telling them, "so he can worship him too" (of course that was not his plan nor intent but...?)

Then he kills every Hebrew Child, but Mary and Joseph are in Egypt, then when Herod is dead, when they should have headed back to Jerusalem, they are given another divine warning, and instead went to Galilee and stayed there, as told by God also so that the young child Jesus should not die, also and again at that time...

So, what was the source of the Star...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, think about it for a minute, God tells Mary and Joseph to flee to Egypt, when Jesus was born, because the star led some men (the Magi) to where he (Jesus) was just born, and Herod tries to get the info from the Magi by trying to trick and deceive them about his intentions and wanting them to report back to him telling them, "so he can worship him too" (of course that was not his plan nor intent but...?)

Then he kills every Hebrew Child, but Mary and Joseph are in Egypt, then when Herod is dead, when they should have headed back to Jerusalem, they are given another divine warning, and instead went to Galilee and stayed there, as told by God also so that the young child Jesus should not die, also and again at that time...

So, what was the source of the Star...?

God Bless!

Oh, and I almost forgot, the Magi were told, (much in the same way Mary and Joseph were told), not to return to Herod, by God as well...

Oh, and all this was all a fulfillment of prophecy from the OT as well...

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not seeing the part that says there would be a literal star which would become visible at the moment of the Messiah’s birth. Can you find that verse please? Thanks!

Jesus says the Scriptures testify of me. It is pretty clear to me. Your not seeing the verse about how a star comes out of Jacob and a ruler coming out of Israel as the Messiah because you don't want to see that. Jesus is called the king of the Jews.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Jesus says the Scriptures testify of me. It is pretty clear to me. Your not seeing the verse about how a star comes out of Jacob and a ruler coming out of Israel as the Messiah because you don't want to see that. Jesus is called the king of the Jews.

That could be.

It’s also possible that the specifics of the star are extra-biblical.

Either or, really.

 

[chilehed]

Sola Scriptura is the position that you can trust Scripture and Scripture alone as your sole authority for your faith and life.

What's the authority for telling you what the Canon of Scripture is? You can't have a Scriptural defense of anything without first identifying what Scripture is.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What's the authority for telling you what the Canon of Scripture is? You can't have a Scriptural defense of anything without first identifying what Scripture is.

If you are questioning what is cannon, this suggests that you are not sure what we should believe today as God's Word. So you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God? Faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).

Catholics generally accept the books in the Bible as canon. So you cannot attack the canon of Scripture to make an argument unless you don't really believe the Bible today is a part of the canon.

Catholics believe the church says the Bible is canon. I say it is GOD (Who is higher in authority than the church) because we can see the many evidences that shows that God's Word is divine in origin.

You can check out my Blogger article here for the many evidences that show God's Word is divine in origin:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That could be.

It’s also possible that the specifics of the star are extra-biblical.

Either or, really.

No. Extra biblical is something that is defined in the Bible as: "Outside the Bible." Meaning, it is something not mentioned in the Bible. If a thing, teaching, or person is mentioned in the Bible it is a part of the Bible. Extra biblical would mean that it something that the Bible is entirely silent upon. For example: An instruction manual for a Toyota RAV4 is something that the Bible does not talk about.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Well, think about it for a minute, God tells Mary and Joseph to flee to Egypt, when Jesus was born, because the star led some men (the Magi) to where he (Jesus) was just born, and Herod tries to get the info from the Magi by trying to trick and deceive them about his intentions and wanting them to report back to him telling them, "so he can worship him too" (of course that was not his plan nor intent but...?)

Then he kills every Hebrew Child, but Mary and Joseph are in Egypt, then when Herod is dead, when they should have headed back to Jerusalem, they are given another divine warning, and instead went to Galilee and stayed there, as told by God also so that the young child Jesus should not die, also and again at that time...

So, what was the source of the Star...?

God Bless!

Just because GOD operates a certain way in one point in time within history, does not mean He has to continue to still operate that way. Your average person back then did not have easy access to a complete set of Scriptures like we do today. So God would naturally have to communicate in a more direct way with His people in order for them to hear what He was trying to say for them to do.

The problem today is people hate being under authority. So they regulate God's Word to not being as essential for them today and they would rather listen to some inner voice that can lead them astray away from what God's Word actually says.

 

[PaulCyp1]

There is no scriptural defense for such an unbiblical manmade tradition, that didn't exist until 1,500 years after Jesus Christ founded His Church. Jesus Christ founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church the fullness of God's truth. It is because of that promise that the book compiled by that one Church can be considered the Word of God. When Martin Luther defected from the one Church Jesus Christ founded, he had to have something to claim as an authority, so He chose a book of Catholic writings compiled by the bishops of the Catholic Church at the direction of the Pope. He claimed that because that book is the Word of God, it alone could be the source of truth. What he overlooked is the obvious fact that anything we read has to be interpreted correctly in order to provide truth. Before he died, there were 7 other Protestant churches, founded by people who had broken away from his church because they disagreed with his interpretations of the Bible. The doctrinal chaos of Protestantism had begun. Today, 500 years later, there are more than 6,000 registered Protestant denominations, plus 20,000 so-called "non-denominational" Protestant churches, each claiming to be teaching the truth because what they teach comes from "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one contradicting the teaching of the others. Truth cannot contradict truth, so there is obviously a tremendous amount of untruth being taught by such churches. In the meantime, the ONE Church founded by Jesus Christ remains ONE in belief, ONE in teaching, ONE in worship, ONE in biblical understanding throughout the world after 2,000 years, with NO conflicting denominations. You just can't beat God's plan.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

There is no scriptural defense for such an unbiblical manmade tradition, that didn't exist until 1,500 years after Jesus Christ founded His Church. Jesus Christ founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church the fullness of God's truth. It is because of that promise that the book compiled by that one Church can be considered the Word of God. When Martin Luther defected from the one Church Jesus Christ founded, he had to have something to claim as an authority, so He chose a book of Catholic writings compiled by the bishops of the Catholic Church at the direction of the Pope. He claimed that because that book is the Word of God, it alone could be the source of truth. What he overlooked is the obvious fact that anything we read has to be interpreted correctly in order to provide truth. Before he died, there were 7 other Protestant churches, founded by people who had broken away from his church because they disagreed with his interpretations of the Bible. The doctrinal chaos of Protestantism had begun. Today, 500 years later, there are more than 6,000 registered Protestant denominations, plus 20,000 so-called "non-denominational" Protestant churches, each claiming to be teaching the truth because what they teach comes from "the Bible alone", yet the teaching of each one contradicting the teaching of the others. Truth cannot contradict truth, so there is obviously a tremendous amount of untruth being taught by such churches. In the meantime, the ONE Church founded by Jesus Christ remains ONE in belief, ONE in teaching, ONE in worship, ONE in biblical understanding throughout the world after 2,000 years, with NO conflicting denominations. You just can't beat God's plan.

Warning Against Altering God's Word is Confirmed in Old Testament:

Forbidding in altering God's Word in Revelation 22:18-19 can also be seen in Deuteronomy 4:2 and Deuteronomy 12:32 which says not to add or take away from the words of God's commands. This was the written Word. The Law. God did not want His words being changed or altered in any way by adding or taking away from His words. In fact, if somebody were to try and destroy God's Word, we see that God would protect or preserve His Word. We see an example of this in Jeremiah 36:22-32 where king Jehoiakim burns the scroll in a fire (i.e. to eliminate God's Word) and then later God has Jeremiah re-create another roll that says the same thing. In other words, the written Word could not be destroyed by fire, just as the Living Word cannot be destroyed by fire. For the fourth who was in the fiery furnace with Daniel's friends was the Son of God (Daniel 3:25). For even when Moses had broken or shattered the tablets of stone that had the direct hand written Word of God (i.e. the Ten Commandments) on it (Exodus 32:19), the Lord our God had hand written them down on tablets of stone again (Exodus 34:1). For the Word of God cannot be broken (John 10:35). For Jesus said, "Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (Matthew 24:35). Meaning, that Christ's words would be memorialized by being written down where they would not pass away (or be deleted by men).

 

[parousia70]

Is an author of a book an outside authority to his own written work?

What does that mean?

Who decided which books/letters/epistles were inspired and therefore to be included in the canon of scripture and which were to be left out?

The author?

 

[parousia70]

You mean an outside authority from the Holy Spirit inspired Scriptures is needed to authorize?

Well, somebody(s) outside of scripture assembled the Books/letters/epistles into the "canon" of scripture... who do you say that was, and where do you say they go the authority to do it? "scripture alone" provides no such authority nor gives any instruction in that regard.

Or is it the other way. That men knowing the divine attributes and authoritative nature of Scriptures recognized such?

And we know they correctly recognized which books belong and which did not because of, what?

Where did they get the authority to assemble the canon if not from the canon itself (since it did not exist before they assembled it)??

As did men and women recognizing an itinerant Rabbi who taught in opposition to the then sitting Magisterium.

Thank you for confirming Sola Scriptura is an oxymoron.

 

[parousia70]

This "Sola Scriptura" argument falls apart once we realize that the majority of the Human Race could not read written language until modern times, nor were books able to be mass produced. Jesus used a different method of passing on his true, correct and infallible teaching. If it wasn't written language, then what other channel of communication was selected?

Jesus Christ and the apostles instituted a system for preserving and passing on His truth to the masses for the 1500 years before the invention of the printing press that didn't use books or literacy. And Jesus knew what he was doing.

So, again, since we know it wasn't books or Literacy, what channel of communication do you believe Jesus used to preserve and pass on his truth to the human race?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What does that mean?

Who decided which books/letters/epistles were inspired and therefore to be included in the canon of scripture and which were to be left out?

The author?

Yes. I believe God was the One who ultimately guided men to the Scriptures that we have today. Yes. It was not man's doing alone.

 

[mark kennedy]

The Magi weren’t Jews and being driven by scripture but probably used astrology and astronomy as a means of guidance.

Well they were into all that but I've always thought Daniel left an impression on them. The star might have been a special revelation, God could communicate with them in dreams.