9/11: Seventeen years have passed, and no end is in sight

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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/9-11-seventeen-years-have-passed-and-no-end-is-in-sight

"...it is certain that the denial, willful ignorance, and demonization of truth tellers in the West is leading to the ruin of free societies, and that ruin is coming faster than most people realize. British police are already directing their efforts to silencing and prosecuting online “hate speech” that often consists of nothing more than stating the jihad threat accurately. What will they be doing in five years? Ten?

The U.S. is not as far along that road as Britain is, but it is traveling the same road. If we don’t get off it, the same fate awaits us. And the jihad will advance apace. Could they see the world today, the 9/11 hijackers and Osama bin Laden couldn’t be more pleased.

It isn’t too late to turn things around. But it’s getting there. We must demand of our elected officials and candidates that they stand for the freedom of speech, and for a realistic approach to the jihad threat. If they don’t, it doesn’t matter where they stand on other issues. The great game of trying to create societies that protect human freedom and human dignity will be essentially over. At least for now."
 

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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/9-11-seventeen-years-have-passed-and-no-end-is-in-sight

"...it is certain that the denial, willful ignorance, and demonization of truth tellers in the West is leading to the ruin of free societies, and that ruin is coming faster than most people realize. British police are already directing their efforts to silencing and prosecuting online “hate speech” that often consists of nothing more than stating the jihad threat accurately. What will they be doing in five years? Ten?

The U.S. is not as far along that road as Britain is, but it is traveling the same road. If we don’t get off it, the same fate awaits us. And the jihad will advance apace. Could they see the world today, the 9/11 hijackers and Osama bin Laden couldn’t be more pleased.

It isn’t too late to turn things around. But it’s getting there. We must demand of our elected officials and candidates that they stand for the freedom of speech, and for a realistic approach to the jihad threat. If they don’t, it doesn’t matter where they stand on other issues. The great game of trying to create societies that protect human freedom and human dignity will be essentially over. At least for now."
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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/9-11-seventeen-years-have-passed-and-no-end-is-in-sight

"...it is certain that the denial, willful ignorance, and demonization of truth tellers in the West is leading to the ruin of free societies, and that ruin is coming faster than most people realize. British police are already directing their efforts to silencing and prosecuting online “hate speech” that often consists of nothing more than stating the jihad threat accurately. What will they be doing in five years? Ten?

The U.S. is not as far along that road as Britain is, but it is traveling the same road. If we don’t get off it, the same fate awaits us. And the jihad will advance apace. Could they see the world today, the 9/11 hijackers and Osama bin Laden couldn’t be more pleased.

It isn’t too late to turn things around. But it’s getting there. We must demand of our elected officials and candidates that they stand for the freedom of speech, and for a realistic approach to the jihad threat. If they don’t, it doesn’t matter where they stand on other issues. The great game of trying to create societies that protect human freedom and human dignity will be essentially over. At least for now."
I think we are going to see Britainistan come into being any day now. It will have a sizable minority of Catholics and other Christians, but it will become a Sharia Law state. I don't see any other option in the long run.
 
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It isn’t too late to turn things around. But it’s getting there. We must demand of our elected officials and candidates that they stand for the freedom of speech, and for a realistic approach to the jihad threat. If they don’t, it doesn’t matter where they stand on other issues. The great game of trying to create societies that protect human freedom and human dignity will be essentially over. At least for now."

I've been reading and listening to pundits, preachers, politicians and opinions for years - as have we all.

Many who believe the evidence before them, and such people are few, almost always say "it isn't too late". We all know people who ignore warnings and we all know those same people inevitably cause trouble for themselves because they procrastinate. We all know people in dire trouble because they are too foolish to do anything about it ahead of time. Our entire nation is like that.

IT IS TOO LATE.

Read history. The historic march of events and attitudes in nations and civilizations proceeds in a manner that inevitably results in a foreseeable outcome. Apathy debauchery corruption and sin always lead to the destruction of a nation. Always. You know it. I know it. Yet no one acts upon it because we've all adopted a fatalistic attitude. It will come, we say, but there's nothing we can do about it.

Nothing now. It's too late.

The seeds of destruction were sewn decades ago. Sermons and prayers and warnings have been issued for much longer. Today we have crossed the Rubicon. We have passed the tipping point and it is only a matter of time until the inevitable arrives. But what is it that comes our way? History gives us a clue.

Before massive spiritual changes impacted the world a secularization and a will to sin infected it. God cannot and will not ignore such trends and WILL act to put it to an end. The world before Noah was such a place - as it is today. The five cities of the kingdom of Sodom was such a place - as we are to this day. What happened to them will surely happen to us.

God visited His people Israel on two occasions. The first was to send His prophets to preach against sin and wickedness and licentiousness. The second was to appear personally with a message of forgiveness and hope. On both occasions God's Word and God's appearance were ignored and swept away. As a result the people who tried to sweep God away were themselves swept away.

IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA, HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
- paraphrase of the Shanghai curse of 1937

It is already too late for the world and for our country. Every effort to stem the tide will be like trying to put out a forest fire with a squirt gun. What can we do?

It is time to repent and make peace with God. It is time to put away our sins and flirtations with wickedness we know God hates. It is time to make peace with God for in doing so a remnant may be saved.

DEATH TO SIN.

In Romans 9:27 Paul writes, “Even if the number of people in Israel is as large as the grains of sand by the sea, only a remnant will be saved.

In Paul's day approximately 30,000 people lived in Jerusalem - as many as 80,000 during high holy days. In 70AD the Romans sacked the town and burned it to the ground. Only a remnant was saved.

St. Paul also wrote in Romans 1:16, “I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

First the Jew, then the gentile.

If only a remnant of the self-righteous Jews were saved, how many of the self-righteous 2.16 billion Christians in the world today will be saved?

First the Jew, then the gentile.

Many will NOT be saved because church affiliation isn't worth the paper it's written on. God looks at the heart, not church membership databases. Is His name written on our hearts?

The time to repent is NOW. There must be no delay. It is past time to repent of sin and private sinful fantasies. Every thought must be captured and rejected. It is time to humbly seek God's mercy.

DEATH TO SIN.

God's intent is to utterly destroy sin from heaven and earth. If sin is among us, we will be destroyed with it. God takes no pleasure in meting out death and will hear the humble prayer of repentance.

That - is what we can do today.

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I think we are going to see Britainistan come into being any day now. It will have a sizable minority of Catholics and other Christians, but it will become a Sharia Law state. I don't see any other option in the long run.

The spiritual world, like the physical world abhors a vacuum.

Today Christendom is rapidly becoming secularized. The church has basically thrown in the towel and surrendered to the approaching wave of Islam.

Atheism is rampant, but is acting as a force to attenuate Islam's effect. Atheism, not Christianity, seems to be acting to delay the wave. Very strange.

Neither atheism nor secularism will long prevent the tightening grip of Islam upon the throat of the west. The spiritual world, like the physical world, abhors a vacuum.

If the kingdom of God is denied, then the kingdom of satan will enter the world stage of history. Some believe it will be shrouded in the headscarf of Islam and some believe it will be masked by the papal tiara. Either way it will not glorify the cross of Christ. It will utterly deny it.

Those who do not have a deep spiritual devotion to Jesus Christ will be swept away by the coming wave.

Those who remain will see miracles of God on a daily basis and grow to DEPEND UPON THEM.

It is time to repent of sin and make peace with God in the name of Jesus Christ.

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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/09/9-11-seventeen-years-have-passed-and-no-end-is-in-sight

"...it is certain that the denial, willful ignorance, and demonization of truth tellers in the West is leading to the ruin of free societies, and that ruin is coming faster than most people realize. British police are already directing their efforts to silencing and prosecuting online “hate speech” that often consists of nothing more than stating the jihad threat accurately. What will they be doing in five years? Ten?

The U.S. is not as far along that road as Britain is, but it is traveling the same road. If we don’t get off it, the same fate awaits us. And the jihad will advance apace. Could they see the world today, the 9/11 hijackers and Osama bin Laden couldn’t be more pleased.

It isn’t too late to turn things around. But it’s getting there. We must demand of our elected officials and candidates that they stand for the freedom of speech, and for a realistic approach to the jihad threat. If they don’t, it doesn’t matter where they stand on other issues. The great game of trying to create societies that protect human freedom and human dignity will be essentially over. At least for now."

Regrettably, I think Britain will eventually become an Islamic country.
 
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I think we are going to see Britainistan come into being any day now. It will have a sizable minority of Catholics and other Christians, but it will become a Sharia Law state. I don't see any other option in the long run.

Approximately 4% of people in the UK are Muslim. It would be astonishing if a minority that tiny became a majority in a few decades. This would be especially astonishing in light of the huge decline in fertility of Muslims over the last few decades. From the conservative Hoover Institute:

Fertility Decline in the Muslim World
There remains a widely perceived notion — still commonly held within intellectual, academic, and policy circles in the West and elsewhere — that “Muslim” societies are especially resistant to embarking upon the path of demographic and familial change that has transformed population profiles in Europe, North America, and other “more developed” areas (un terminology). But such notions speak to a bygone era; they are utterly uninformed by the important new demographic realities that reflect today’s life patterns within the Arab world, and the greater Islamic world as well.
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With respect to absolute changes in tfrs, the population-weighted average for the grouping as a whole amounted to a drop of an estimated 2.6 births per woman between 1975 and 1980 and 2005 and 2010 — a markedly larger absolute decline than estimated for either the world as a whole (-1.3) or the less developed regions as a whole (-2.2) during those same years. Fully eighteen of these Muslim-majority places saw tfrs fall by three or more over those 30 years — with nine of them by four births per woman or more! In Oman, tfrs plummeted by an astonishing 5.6 births per woman during those 30 years: an average estimated pace of nearly 1.9 births per woman every decade.

https://www.hoover.org/research/fertility-decline-muslim-world

Muslims, as they integrate into British society and become prosperous, are having fewer children. And to the horror of radical Muslims...

Young British Muslims are becoming much more liberal
And yet, these Muslims are more likely to want to fully integrate into all aspects of British life, have ethnically diverse friendship groups and think it correct that homosexuality is legal in Britain.


What is happening? Muslims, especially second generation Muslims, seem to be finding ways to reconcile British culture with religion. It’s only natural that, when Islamic thought has adapted to the context in Malaysia, in Pakistan and in Egypt, it can do so in Britain as well. Apparently, it can do so without becoming less Islamic.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/british-muslims-ipsos-mori-liberal-imams-islam-a8334196.html


 
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Muslims converting in Europe: ‘They’ve found Muslim immigrants to be much more open to the message of Christianity’

The refugee crisis played into the hands of the Catholic Church in Austria: the country recorded a significant number of Muslims who converted to Christianity

Three quarters of the 750 baptized adults in 2017 are immigrants from Muslim countries, DW reports citing the agency dpa and the official spokesman for the Archdiocese of Vienna.

Only in the Austrian capital, 260 people representing 15 different nations have been baptized.

Fredericke Dostal, who is responsible for the baptism of adults in the archdiocese, says the claim that migrants change their religion in order to increase the chances of getting an asylum are groundless.

“Since the Catholic Church in Austria does not want to receive pseudo-Christians, we are very strict in selection of candidates and authorization of the rite of baptism,” she noted.

More details, from a 2017 report:
A soaring number of Muslims, many of them refugees from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, are converting to Christianity, breathing new life into Europe’s once floundering Christian churches. The Muslims are flocking to various Christian denominations, experts said, including becoming Protestants, evangelical or Catholic.

As many parts of Europe are becoming more secular and houses of worship are seeing congregants leave in droves, it is Muslim converts who are reviving struggling Christian churches.

“European churches have struggled for decades to share the gospel with modern secular Europeans,” Matthew Kaemingk, a professor at the Fuller Theological Seminary in Seattle, told Fox News. “They have found Muslim immigrants to be much more open to the message of Christianity.”

Kaemingk, who has done research focused on Christian responses to Muslim immigration in the Netherlands, and has written a book titled “Christian Hospitality and Muslim Immigration in an Age of Fear” that will be published this fall, said secular Europeans rarely sense a deep need for the type of healing and salvation the church offers.

“Europeans are wealthy, comfortable, healthy, and powerful,” Kaemingk said. “In short, they don’t think they need God.”

But, he added, Muslim immigrants are quite the opposite – they are intensely spiritual. But they are leaving their own religion for a variety of reasons.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deacon...uch-more-open-to-the-message-of-christianity/

Ironically, the refugee flood may increase the number of committed Christian in Europe.
 
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Ironically, the refugee flood may increase the number of committed Christian in Europe.

Wishes and hopes need basis in fact to be worth something. Unfortunately there is absolutely no evidence of a strong church anywhere.

Hundreds of allegations that Catholic priests have engaged in child molestation exist in Pennsylvania. They've been echoed in other US states too and are now being heard from in some European countries. The church of Rome is being shaken to its foundations and its legitimate appeals to right living and standards of religion are being swept away in the maelstrom. Catholic ability to stem the tide of Islam in Europe is crippled.

The Protestant church is welcoming the arrival of Islam in Europe and America. Most American denominal churches embrace the BDS movement and all churches are turning a deaf ear and blind eye to rising levels of anti-semitism.

As of this writing the wave of anti-semitic actions and attitudes is of a level unheard of since pre-WWII days in Europe and America. The church, which ought to be setting a standard against hate and sexual exploitation, is not being seen or heard.

Oddly it seems that atheist organizations and activists are slowing the growth of Islam. Religious folk, for all their posturing, have literally faded into the obscurity of history. The story of the organized church has been written and is at an end.

To sit in a tiny American church and think of one's self as being untouched by global events is an act of apathy that borders on criminal negligence. The church isn't hiding its light under a basket. It's extinguished the light altogether. What is worse is that the church has convinced itself that God approves of it anyway. The Jews believed the same thing of themselves before the Chaldeans came and took them captive to Babylon and again before the Romans came and burned Jerusalem to the ground.

The church shall pay a terrible price for turning its back on God.

Now is the time to make peace with God.

The end is literally nearer than any of us dare admit.

Judgment is already upon us and it is right and proper to humbly seek God's mercy and peace - NOW.

Repent. Now. Time to play the delay game is over.

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Barbarian, noting the high rate of Muslim refugees in Europe converting to Christianity.
Ironically, the refugee flood may increase the number of committed Christian in Europe.

Wishes and hopes need basis in fact to be worth something. Unfortunately there is absolutely no evidence of a strong church anywhere.

That fact certainly seems to indicate a stronger Church than Islam can handle. It's not just in Europe. In 1900, the largest religion in Africa was Islam. Now, it's Christianity.

Make your peace with God, and let it be.
 
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Barbarian, noting the high rate of Muslim refugees in Europe converting to Christianity.
Ironically, the refugee flood may increase the number of committed Christian in Europe.



That fact certainly seems to indicate a stronger Church than Islam can handle. It's not just in Europe. In 1900, the largest religion in Africa was Islam. Now, it's Christianity.

Make your peace with God, and let it be.

The condition of the church is as I've described.

On the other hand, a lot of traveling fund raisers would have us believe otherwise so as to contribute to their private pockets and accounts. Too many wolves in sheep's clothing have come among us with one hand on the Bible and the other in someone else's pocket. Study to show yourself approved unto God and man. Be wary as a serpent, but innocent as a sheep. Don't get sucked into false assertions and fake ideology.

Europe is almost completely secularized. The Holy See has bemoaned this publicly on a number of occasions. Our family hosted foreign exchange students from France and they told us that wearing religious ornamentation in school is forbidden. Restrictions are growing, driven by popular assent.

African Christianity is suffering from growing wars and terrorism. The US now has over ten thousand troops in central Africa. The cover story is to combat terrorism, but in truth we are there to interdict trade with China and other nations, specifically with regard to yellowcake (not a dessert confection - google yellowcake).

In South America the indigenous people are rapidly returning to their pagan beliefs. I know. I've been there. Have you? I've also talked to Christian missionaries who have retreated from the field (in Peru where I went). I am told the Quechua people are literally taking their churches apart so as to rebuild ancient temples and high places.

Central America isn't much farther behind. While many American churches still send tour groups to nations such as Guatemala, there is little or no evidence of growth. Most of what these people see is spiritual stagnation. The reason is that these people were sold a false gospel - that belief in Christ would result in physical and monetary prosperity. It hasn't happened and as a result many have left the church. Spirituality for them is fireworks to drive away evil spirits. As a general statement of fact, there is little or no objective truth being taught in the Western Hemisphere with regard to God and the Bible.

A former pastor of mine has an interest in Christian missions in Japan. After a two month hiatus, he returned to tell the congregation the church is stagnating there too. He tells the truth about this because he has no personal designs to milk the church of mission money. Presently he's turned his attention to Alaska where the indigenous Eskimo peoples are badly in need of solid religious conversion. Unfortunately the work is not glamorous and the people are beyond the Arctic circle. They get little help from the churches of America because they are a little people full of meanness and ugliness and the hard realities of living day to day (according to those who've escaped the society there).

My son spent several months in mainland China. He reports that government suppression of the church is neither as pronounced as Americans are led to believe, but that it isn't in a growth spurt either - also as Americans are led to believe. The church in China is stagnating. This is not the story that American hucksters are telling us, but it IS accurate testimony of my son who was there in person. Have you been there?

According to PEW & Gallup poll research, regular attendance in America (defined by pollsters as one Sunday a month) is down more than fifty percent from 1950 levels. If the current trend continues in the US, it will be 10% by 2050. Although figures for synagogues aren't as accurate as those for churches, there is some indication of the same trend in Jewish denominations; Orthodox, Reconstructionist and all the variations of Reform Judaism from liberal to conservative.

In Asia a popular resurgence of the philosophy of Confucius and Buddha are well underway as is devotion to Hinduism Jainism and Sikhism. I also visited India and enjoyed an evening with a Sikh. Much of what I'm relating here is from personal knowledge as well as legitimate polls from established organizations.

What do you know from personal experience? Share what you've discovered from personal experience, not from tapping on your keyboard in your closet or echoing what some religious snake oil salesman has whispered in your ear.

Finally, there is a resurgence of anti-semitism throughout America and Europe. It is as the days of the 1930's prior to WWII. The church doesn't seem to want to get involved in this issue - as it was in those days too. In fact, most major American church denominations have embraced the BDS movement, which is an overt attack upon the State of Israel. They have neglected the blessing and curse of Genesis 12:3. In this they suffer decline. In this they turn their back upon God and the Word of God.

It should be noted that massive gospel crusades in America where thousands would be saved and frequent revival meetings at a local level are now a thing of the past. As a general rule, churches do not sponsor or organize large evangelical meetings any more. Indeed most major US denominations have accepted a policy of denying the Bible as THE Word of God. Instead they have voted amongst themselves to make the Bible equal to all other forms of literature - equal and not limited to the Qur'an.

The church is dying and that is a fact. This information is provided to the reader by myself free of charge and that is the difference.

If I listened to traveling preachers I'd think all is well in heaven and on earth - after I'd contributed money that is....

All is not well in Christendom. The last days of the church are upon us - in fulfillment of prophecy of Christ. Luke 21:24 was fulfilled on June 7, 1967 when the IDF liberated Jerusalem.

The time to repent of our sins and private hidden fetishes is upon us. The time of the end has come. Time to repent is now. Time to make peace with God has never been more urgent than now.

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The condition of the church is as I've described.

It's growing stronger every year in places like Africa and Asia. In the United States, so many religious leaders have become politicized and lost their connection to Jesus, that it's a crisis here. As you learned, one of the best things that's happened to Christianity in Europe is the influx of refugees who have been very receptive to the Gospel. It's strengthening the Church in Europe as all new converts do.

African Christianity is suffering from growing wars and terrorism.

And yet it grows. His Church is not vulnerable to persectution; it grew most vigorously under vicious attack. Part of the problem with American and European Christians is that they became culturally dominant and spiritually weak.

In South America the indigenous people are rapidly returning to their pagan beliefs. I know. I've been there. Have you? I've also talked to Christian missionaries who have retreated from the field (in Peru where I went). I am told the Quechua people are literally taking their churches apart so as to rebuild ancient temples and high places.

For the same reasons I mentioned. Wherever the Church becomes politically dominant, it fails. However, there will be more Christians in Latin America in the future than there are now:

Christians are expected to remain the largest religious group in Latin America and the Caribbean in the decades ahead, growing by 25% from 531 million in 2010 to 666 million in 2050.59 The region’s unaffiliated population is forecast to have the largest percentage increase (44%), growing from 45 million in 2010 to 65 million in 2050. The number of adherents of folk religions is projected to grow by 43%, from 10 million to 14 million.
Latin America and the Caribbean

A former pastor of mine has an interest in Christian missions in Japan.

Japan is perhaps the least spiritual nation in the world. Perhaps one percent of the population is Christian, and it's growing slowly. At this time, about 30 percent of Koreans are Christians, and they are sometimes sending missionaries to Europe and the United States.

The center of gravity of Christianity is moving south, as Africa and Latin America have increasing numbers of Christians.
 
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Finally, there is a resurgence of anti-semitism throughout America and Europe. It is as the days of the 1930's prior to WWII. The church doesn't seem to want to get involved in this issue - as it was in those days too. In fact, most major American church denominations have embraced the BDS movement, which is an overt attack upon the State of Israel. They have neglected the blessing and curse of Genesis 12:3. In this they suffer decline. In this they turn their back upon God and the Word of God.

I regard the State of Israel as a modern secular nation not as a God ordained theocracy. In the early days I admired their tenacity and courage against all odds but, as time passed, I came to abhor their genocidal policies against the Palestinians. Anyone concerned with human rights, Christians above all, should be against these policies as well.
 
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