seventysevens
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Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant,
Well someday you may understand , but you don't understand it yet
Since you do not believe Jesus will reign on earth you have a lot to learn
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Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant,
Using words like 'bitter and mean, vindictive and spiteful', against me; shows your true colors. You fail to prove the false 'rapture to heaven' theory, so you turn nasty and try make out that I have no proof. Which I have presented in #864 and in all my posts on the 'rapture'.You have a severe lack of ability to truly understand the bible principles
THAT IS WHY you refuse to present a case for your belief !
You place yourself up on high to decide that other views are wrong but you are incapable of proving it and that is why you are too afraid to attempt to present a case !
You have no case that you can defend so you cry about not needing to present a case
you have no case you have no credibility ! Yet you choose to be condescending and bitter and mean in your failed attempt to prove anything ,. you cannot prove me wrong and you cannot prove your self right and you know it so you choose to try to be judge of matters you do not even understand
You are the accuser it is Your responsibility to prove your case - you know you cannot so you are just being vindictive and spiteful because you know you cannot prove what you say is valid
baberean2,
1. You just outright lied.
I did not say that nobody believes the New Covenant is not in effect.
I said it was in effect since the cross and will be in the tribulation as well. I demand an apology right now!!!!!!!
Using words like 'bitter and mean, vindictive and spiteful', against me; shows your true colors. You fail to prove the false 'rapture to heaven' theory, so you turn nasty and try make out that I have no proof. Which I have presented in #864 and in all my posts on the 'rapture'.
Get this: YOU have no proof and your beliefs are wrong.
(God makes the declaration to illustrate the completion of the law, it is one action of euthanasia....................God does not kill humanity for the revelation in phases)
(God told Abraham in Genesis 18, "I will perform one Action of Euthanasia" at the appointed time, "I will not kill in stages or percentages, until I perform the action")
(Once the "Two Witnesses are Dead", God kills Seven Billion People) (There's no Sign of Divorce to modify God's Discernment beyond a limited geographic area)
Coincidentally! (Seventh Trumpet is Blown!)
Documentary Explaining End Times - What The Bible Has To Say
youtube.com/watch?v=B0rTk9IAwwg
JOSHUA 6:5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long [blast] with the ram's horn, [and] when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.
JOSHUA 6:6 And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said unto them, Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the LORD.
(That word "him", you can substitute for the "Two Witnesses", when God allows Moses to die, or kills Moses, then Seven Billion People are put to death, God sends an Angel to Blow the Seventh Trumpet)
(When God does kill, that is the "Rapture", there's no Warning before that. But, after that the Remnant that is left alive will gather together to "Joseph the Blessings" for 5 months, that is all the time you are allowed from God for this process of the Seed Population) (9/11/2001 Falling Man Moses, is only the beginning, God hasn't used the body of Moses to detonate a Nuclear Bomb equivalent, in "pain for pain" as declared in revelation 11, so there are levels we need to see happen)
but there’s no proof that the 7th trumpet blows when the rapture happens or at least the 7 th trumpet in Revelation 11:15.
Correct. A lot of people try to make a connection between the 7th trumpet of Revelation (an expression of God's WRATH) and the "last trump" or "the trump of God" which is a Rapture summons (an expression of grace, mercy, and SALVATION).... there’s no proof that the 7th trumpet blows when the rapture happens or at least the 7 th trumpet in Revelation 11:15...
You said in Post #855...
"7. Nobody denies the NC connection to the church or the New Testament connection to the Old Testament or vice versa."
Bryan Denlinger does deny that the New Covenant is now in effect.
See Post #856.
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God said the nation of Israel and Judah will be made one stick as God’s people not as Gentiles.
They will be pure Jewish stock or natural born or what God constitutes the real Jew.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Can you show us the 8th trumpet in the Book of Revelation?
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1. There are many trumpets blown during the feasts.
2. The last Trump is because there are 7 trumpets and the 7 vials must follow after.
The day of the Lord can’t take place after the 7 vials. That is foolish thinking.
2. The mystery of God finished was not the second advent for all Old Testament saints knew about that.
The mystery was and is and will be the accuser of the brethren not being able to do that again in Heaven anymore Revelation 12:10-13 or somewhere in there.
3. Time of the dead judged is that they will first be killed at Armageddon and then judged 1000 years after the millennial kingdom at the GWTJ and thrown into the Lake of Fire Revelation 20:12-15.
4. Do you see an eighth trumpet?
You are wrong again!!! Jerry Kelso
Lots of holes in your logic...........as usual.1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Can you show us the 8th trumpet in the Book of Revelation?
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Pre mill is the only doctrine that lines up with what Scripture teaches, your false beliefs is what is in tattersIn other words the Bible does not mean what is says in Revelation 11:18, because it destroys your Pre-mill doctrine...
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In other words the Bible does not mean what is says in Revelation 11:18, because it destroys your Pre-mill doctrine...
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
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jerry,
There was never any pure Jewish stock, nor could there be. That would have necessitated exclusively incestuous relationships among Abraham's descendants, which would have ultimately resulted in the demise of the lineage from degenerative mutations.
Jewish DNA was mixed from the very beginning.
Israel's racial composition at the beginning of their covenant history (and subsequently throughout) is seen here:
Genesis 17:12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
Nonethnic Israelites ("not of thy seed") who were circumsized, and subsequently complied with covenant requirements necessitating faith and obedience in and to God and His commandments, were considered fully integrated members of the nation, and were not in any way segregated racially or spiritually.
Leviticus 19:34
The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.
So when did God abandon faith and obedience as the sole distinguishing characteristics of His covenant people as at the beginning; and start to replace faith and obedience with DNA?
I'll presupply the answer.
He never did, and He never will.
Israel’s dna as the apple of God’s eye has to do with the everlasting and unconditional convenants of Abraham and David which was never promised to the church.
It is the promise of the father for his chosen people.
jerry,
Without consideration for their DNA, He slew thousands under the old covenant who disbelieved and disobeyed.
Given DNA's complete irrelevance to God, it should also be of complete irrelevance to us.
Israel’s dna as the apple of God’s eye has to do with the everlasting and unconditional convenants of Abraham and David which was never promised to the church. It is the promise of the father for his chosen people.
jerry,
They were promised to Christ who in turn promised them to the Church (Galatians 3:16,28,29; 2 Corinthians 1:20; Hebrews 1:1,2; Romans 8:16,17). DNA is unseen in these verses, in fact specifically excluded in Galatians 3:28,29.
DNA has never been a criterion for chosenness, from the very beginning as seen in Genesis 17:12. God's criteria for chosennness have ever and only been faith and obedience. Without consideration for their DNA, He slew thousands under the old covenant who disbelieved and disobeyed.
Hebrews 10:28
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
The "unconditional" covenant made with Abraham is found below.
Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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