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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Everett J Schulte, Feb 10, 2018.

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  1. Riberra

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    The text in Revelation 3:12 is saying that we will have access to New Jerusalem the City of God when New Jerusalem will come down out of Heaven to the Earth.....which refers to Revelation 21


    Revelation 3:12
    12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven
     
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  2. Truth7t7

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    It's the "Final Judgment" to "Everlasting Fire", and "Life Eternal"

    You act as if the clear teaching of scripture below does not exist.

    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"


    Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he clearly taught below.

    There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

    Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

    Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

    Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

    Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

    "ETERNITY BEGINS"!

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
     
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  3. jerry kelso

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    2 Timothy 4:1; I charge thee therefore God and the Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom.
    2 Timothy 4:8; Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness; which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day and not to me only, but unto them also that love his appearing.
    1Timothy 6:14; That thou keep this commandment without spit, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    2 Timothy 4:18; And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory forever and ever.
    Titus 2:13; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the Great God and our Savior Jesus Christ.
    His appearing is the pre-trib rapture which is the Blessed hope and the Lord the righteous judge shall give unto him, which is the crown of righteousness for he judged them righteous at Calvary.
    The Kingdom Paul was talking about was the Heavenly kingdom not the KoH reign on earth according to this context. Jerry Kelso
     
  4. Riberra

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    His GLORIOUS appearing refer to Matthew 24:29-31 when Jesus will be seen Coming on the CLOUDS IN GLORY.There is no Coming of Jesus before the Tribulation mentioned in the Bible.


    Matthew 24:29-31
    29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man COMING ON THE CLOUDS of heaven With Power and Great GLORY.

    31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
     
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  5. Truth7t7

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    You act as if the clear teaching of scripture below does not exist.

    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"


    Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he clearly taught below.

    There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

    Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

    Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

    Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

    Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

    "ETERNITY BEGINS"!

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
     
  6. jerry kelso

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    riberra,

    1. Matthew 24:29-31. There is no rapture here but in your wishing there was mind.
    Christ is coming to the earth from Heaven with his saints and angels Revelation 19:11-15-20.
    This is war on the nations and this is why the tribes of the earth mourn.

    2. Verse 31 is the Jewish elect from the 4 corners of the earth being regathered Isaiah:10-15: Ezekiel 37.

    3. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17. Christ is bringing the dead with him from Heaven and the living believers raptured up to the clouds.
    This is not pictured in Matthew 24:29-31.
     
  7. jerry kelso

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    truth7t7,

    1. I never denied eternal life and fire in this passage.
    I said it is at judgement of the nations which is not the Great White Throne Judgement in Revelation 20 because there are only sinners at the GWTJ.
    The Judgement of the nations is on the nations and their treatment of Israel.
    The sheep will inherit eternal life on earth and the goats will go into the lake of fire.

    2. This has nothing to with the rapture in
    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 where living believers are raptured to the sky with the dead in Christ and who will ever be with the Lord and have mansions waiting them in Heaven John 14:1-6.

    2. You have shown any proof of no 1000 Years by scripture and you can’t rebut the scriptural context I gave.
    You are wrong again and will always be wrong. Jerry Kelso
     
  8. Truth7t7

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    The sheep will inherit eternal life on this earth?

    Now you have eternal believers wandering around on this earth, mixed with humans that are dying around them?

    Jerry you will see the final judgment below, there is only one future judgment to eternal life and the lake of fire, the book of life will be opened once for eternal judgment.

    Matthew 25:31-46 & Revelation 20:11-15 are the exact same event of the final judgmet.

    Your teaching of multiple final judgments is way out in left field, way out there!

    You act as if the clear teaching of scripture below does not exist.

    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"
    "Everlasting Fire" "Life Eternal"


    Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he clearly taught below.

    There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

    Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

    Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

    Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

    Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

    "ETERNITY BEGINS"!

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
     
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  9. seventysevens

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    Your lack of understanding scripture is astonishing - how you don't know this basic entry level teaching from Jesus Himself reveals
    John 10:27-28 King James Version (KJV)

    27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


    28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    At this same time there are those people who accepted Christ during the GT , but did not die during this time , you have a real misunderstanding of scripture , it seems that the only way you will understand the real truth is at the time it happens
     
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  10. seventysevens

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    duplicate
     
  11. jerry kelso

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    truth7t7,

    1 Don’t read your Bible very much.

    2. Revelation 20:1-10 shows a 1000 year reign with Christ and the saints Psalm 2 Christ will rule and reign with a rod of iron and Revelation 2:26-27 the overcomes of the church will rule and reign with a rod of iron.
    This harmonizes with 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 where Christ has to rule and reign and put down sin and rebellion before he gives the kingdom back to God so he can be all in all.
    There is no believer wandering and the only ones dying are the the ones who go breaking the civil and moral law and they are swiftly removed.
    At the end of the 1000 years those who are not saved and are decieved by Satan who is loosed from the bottomless pit will be destroyed by fire out of Heaven from God. Read Revelation 20:1-10.
    Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15 are about the Day of the Lord at the Battle of Armageddon.
    This is nowhere near the final judgement.
    The Final Judgement of sinners is the Great White Throne Judgement where all sinners will be resurrected and be judged for their sinful works and then will be cast into the lake of fire Revelation 20:12-15.
    Revelation 4-6 tells us the First Resurrection Of believers who are the martyrs of the tribulation that don’t take the mark of the beast is one thousand years before the second death which is the GWTJ. That proves their is a 1000 year reign. Quit making up stuff that is not there. That is just an outright untruth. Jerry kelso
     
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  12. BABerean2

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    If you read your Bible you would see that the Son uses the rod of Iron to destroy the flawed pots, in Psalm 2.
    He does not correct them, like a schoolmaster.

    Do you think Christ has more work to do after His Second Coming?

    Was He wrong when He said...

    "It is finished."


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  13. jerry kelso

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    berean2,

    1. The rod of iron is to destroy them when the break the civil law.
    1 Corinthians 15:25 says he has to put all his enemies under his feet. This is during the millennial kingdom.
    Those who are not saved at the end of the millennial kingdom of the 1000 years but have obeyed the civil law will be those who will be deceived by Satan who is loosed out of the bottomless pit and they will be destroyed by fire out of Heaven by God the Father.
    This is not Armageddon because Christ is the one to destroy the nations with the brightness of his coming.

    2. If he hadn’t said it is finished nobody would be saved.
    The millennial reign is about putting down all sin and rebellion and getting rid of death so Christ can give the KoH back to God the Father so he came all in all 1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
    Read your Bible in proper context instead of your wrong man made perception. Jerry Kelso
     
  14. Truth7t7

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    Lets get back to "Eternal"

    You stated Matthew 25:46 states "Eternal Life" and then you state this "Eternal Life" is taking place on this earth with mortal humans living with eternal bodies.

    Jerry "Eternity" does not take place on this earth, with mortal humans present.

    Matthew 25:31-46 is the eternal kingdom.


    Jesus Christ Returns In the final judgment, eternal life, eternal kingdom, as he clearly taught below.

    There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present, as Jesus sits on a throne watching mortal humans dying around him.

    Verses 31-32 Jesus Returns with the angels, the nations are gathered for judgment.

    Verse 34 The eternal kingdom is presented to the righteous.

    Verse 41 The wicked are judged to the eternal lake of fire.

    Verse 46 The righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

    "ETERNITY BEGINS"!

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
     
  15. jerry kelso

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    truth7t7,

    1. The millennial kingdom is the KoH reign and is eternal.
    The 1st 1000 Years is to put down sin and rebellion and death so God can be all in all 1st Corinthians 15:24-28.

    2. Christ and the saints will rule with a rod of iron and those who suffer the death penalty have to be mortal.
    Then they will be resurrected at the GWTJ after the last rebellion after the 1000 Years Revelation 20:12-15.

    3. You need to exegete REVELATION 20 and you will find out there is a 1000 year reign where Satan is bound in the bottomless pit and then loosed for a season to deceive the nations and they are killed and Satanis thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet have been since a 1000 Years before at the battle of Armageddon on the Day of the Lord. Obviousluck, you don’t want to deal with. Good luck. Jerry kelso
     
  16. BABerean2

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    If Satan is bound in the pit, why would some people need to be killed during this time?

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    baberean2,

    1. The millennial government will have laws as any other government to obey.
    Why do you think we will be Kings, Priests, and Rulers in the kingdom?

    2. There will be sinners during the millennium Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:2-4; 11:3-5; 16:5; 65:20; Psalm 2:6-9; Micah 4:3; Zechariah 14:16:21; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Revelation 20:7-10.
    Some will be allowed to go through the tribulation by keeping the outward laws and still be rebellious in their heart against the government. These will be the types to be deceived by Satan at the end of the 1000 Years.
    There will also be those executed during the Millennium because of committing sins worthy of death (Isaiah 11:3-5; 16:5; 65:20)
    There has to be laws to govern people else their could be no transgression of the law to bring judgement, if there were no basis for judgement. Read Dake’s God’s Plan For Man Pg. 964 11. Will there be laws for the subjects of the kingdom?

    3. You have to remember that the purpose of the millennial kingdom is to put down sin and rebellion and get rid of death.
    The perfect state is not till God is all in all when the son gives the Kingdom back to the Father 1 Corinthians 15:28. This starts with the New Heaven and the New Earth. Jerry kelso
     
  18. BABerean2

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    You might notice that Isaiah 65:20 comes after the New Heavens and New Earth and the present earth is remembered no more, in verse 17.
    Verse 25 indicates an end of the curse.
    Verse 20 is found in between the two. It is a negative statement, meaning none of those things will be found in the New Heavens and New Earth.


    Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
    Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
    Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
    Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
    Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
    Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
    Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
    Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
    Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

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  19. seventysevens

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    The Lords holy mountain is on THIS Earth you live on :)
     
  20. BABerean2

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    Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


    Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.


    Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
    Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


    Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


    You are agreeing with the woman at the well, who Jesus corrected.

    Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
    Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
    Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
    Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
    Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

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