The scriptures indicate that a person "in the loins" of an ancestor is indeed a person. Several OT passages can be translated and interpreted that the Son being in the loins of the Father means He existed even before He was actually begotten.
Heb 7:9-10
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
From the book "
A Revelation of who Jesus Is"
The Womb of God
It sounds odd to say God has a “womb.” In this case the concept is metaphorical. The concept is used in the context that the Son existed in the bosom of the Father and “issued forth” from the Father. Therefore the Word/Son is of the same substance and identity as the Father.
Traditionally, Christians have taken Psalm 110 to be the words of the Father to the Son. From verse 1:
“The Lord said to my lord…
The immediate, pre-creation relationship of the Word is described as a child in the womb of God.
Psalms 110:1 (
Brenton - Septuagint)
"The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The Lord shall send out a rod of power for thee out of Sion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. With thee is dominion in the day of thy power, in the splendours of thy saints:
I have begotten thee from the womb before the morning."
Psalms 110:3 (
Lamsa translation)
"Thy people shall be glorious in the day of thy power; arrayed in the beauty of holiness
from the womb, I have begotten thee as a child from the ages."
Psalms 110:3
Darby
3 With thee is the principality in the day of thy strength: in the brightness of the saints: from the
womb before the day star I begot thee.
“out of my
womb before the morning star I bore you.”
Augustine of Hippo
This was the understanding of other early Church fathers.
"From the
womb, before the morning star, have I begotten thee."
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho
"In the splendors of Thy holiness have I begotten Thee from the
womb, before the morning star."
Justin Martyr, Dialogue with TryphoI
“One must believe that the Son is begotten and born not from nothing, nor from some other substance,
but from the womb of the Father [de Patris uter], that is, from his substance.”
Church Council of Toledo 675
(In Latin, “de Patris utero” — literally,
from the uterus of the Father.)
"…it is said, ‘He who is in the bosom of the Father hath declared Him’ (John 1:18). But that which is the womb, is the bosom also. What meaneth, 'from the womb'? (Ps 110:3) From what is secret, from what is hidden; from Myself, from My substance; this is the meaning of 'from the womb.' Let us then understand the Father saying unto the Son, 'From my
womb before the morning star I have brought Thee forth."
Augustine of Hippo
“The term derives from John 1:18, ‘No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, has made him known.” The Greek text here has kolpos, ‘bosom’, but the early Syriac translators chose to render the word, not by kenpa, ’lap bosom’, but by ‘ubba’, which has a much wider range of meaning than does kolpos, and includes ‘
womb’ as well as ‘lap’.
Sebastian Brock
University of Oxford
“The Luminous Eye”
The earliest
Syriac version of John 1:18 reads,
‘the only-begotten Son, which is from the womb of the Father,’
This wording was kept in the Peshitta version.
Let us reiterate that we are in no wise suggesting that God is female or that He has an actual womb such as a human woman. Only that this term is used several times by the ancients to describe the “begetting” of the Son from the Father. In the beginning the word was within the person of God and was born out of God. We will expound on this relationship further.