77% disapprove removing 10 Commandments

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According to a USA Today/Gallup Poll which appears in today's USA Today, when asked "Do you approve of a federal court order to remove a Ten Commandments monument displayed in an Alabama court building?", the results of the poll were

19% Yes
77% No
4% No Opinion

This could be the very issue that further solidifies the Republican majority on Capitol Hill and the White House.
 

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Donny_B said:
According to a USA Today/Gallup Poll which appears in today's USA Today, when asked "Do you approve of a federal court order to remove a Ten Commandments monument displayed in an Alabama court building?", the results of the poll were

19% Yes
77% No
4% No Opinion

This could be the very issue that further solidifies the Republican majority on Capitol Hill and the White House.

With all the other "real" events going on here and abroad that concerns the US, if this is the defining issue, they should question everyone before they cast their vote and if this is their key issue, they should immediately have their voting rights revoked.
 
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Jet Black said:
erm... is it approve or disapprove, because your thread title and the poll question contradict one another... (post a link please)
The question of the poll was "Do you approve of the removal.."
Yes means to approve. (19%)
No means to disapprove. (77%)

So, 77% disapproved of the removal.

The poll is in this morning's edition of the USA Today newspaper..the web site does not have the poll yet, but I would think it will be updated soon:
http://www.usatoday.com

Updated links:
http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20030828/5448765s.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/index.html
 
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Actually, to be more exact, the question has to do with the federal court order itself ordering the removal....The results would have probably been closer to 50/50 if rephrased to agreeing with the judge defying the court order...This seems to be the position the Bush Administration is taking now...they oppose the judge disobeying the law, but support public displays of the 10 commandments which have been ruled favorably in other cases.
 
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The courts, which rule on disputes involving the constitution, have had conflicting rulings on this matter. It will probably eventually be brought before the US Supreme Court. The thing about the US Constitution is it can be amended with 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of state legislatures. 77% of the public supporting such displays indicate that such an amendment would be passable. This issue will probably be widely debated in the years to come.
 
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Jet Black said:
they disagree with their own constitution? I thought the constitution was rigorously defended over there.


very interesting indeed - where in the constitution does it ssay there can be no 10 commandments outside a court house?? people sure take this out of context....... there shall be NO STATE RELIGION - all it means is there is no particular religion like the Church of England - the Gov. will not take a religion and say everyone must worship this way or else... but hey - people will argue anything just to prove thier point on something... I personally think think the Judge was wrong to dis-obey the Authorities above Him - but agree there is nothing wrong iwth having the 10 commandments outside the courthouse...

Non-christians have the right to voice thier opinions and fight to get rid of EVERY RELIGIOUS thing around - so Christians should have the right to keep those same things..... What I really like is the fact thats what we have the right to do here in the US - or suppsoed to be able to do.. it does seem though - the harder the non-christians fight to shove their ways down our throats the harder christians are trying to shove their way back.........

most are forgetting that the Bible tells us to go and preach - to take a stand - but not to shove it down a persons throat.. the Bible tells us that if people do not want to hear it - to brush the dust off thier feet and go on...

having a statue in no way FORCES anyone to stop and read it unless you feel you wish to stop..

what fascinates me is the hypocracy of the Supreme court.... They allow Religious quotes in their own court rooms - yet will not hear this case.. but ohhhhhhhhhhhhh well............... have a great day.....
 
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...hurch-qna_x.htm

Not first church and state dispute
By Joan Biskupic, USA TODAY
The controversy over a Ten Commandments monument in the Alabama Judicial Building in Montgomery is the latest dispute over public displays of religious symbols. Here are some questions in the debate:
Q: Why does the U.S. Constitution require the separation of church and state?

A: The First Amendment guarantees both the free exercise of religion and the separation of church and state. The second part of that guarantee, which is at issue in the Alabama case, does not require absolute separation of church and state. Courts have interpreted it to bar government actions that plainly endorse religion and have no secular purpose. The First Amendment's guarantee of religious freedom is derived largely from when the American colonists were trying to escape religious persecution in England and tolerance was a primary concern when the Bill of Rights was written in 1789.

Q: Why have federal courts ruled that displays of the Ten Commandments in public buildings are unconstitutional?

A: Courts have ruled that certain prominent displays violate the First Amendment by advancing religion and forcing people who are doing government business to come in contact with a religious message.

Q: But why have courts said that some religious displays are legal in other circumstances?

A: The Supreme Court has stressed the importance of the context of a display or reference to God. For example, in a 1989 case, it upheld the display of a menorah at a city-county building because it was part of a larger display of holiday symbols, including a Christmas tree. But it forbade a Nativity scene that stood alone at a courthouse.

Q: Why does a federal judge have jurisdiction over an action by a state judge, as in the Alabama case?

A: Those who challenged the Ten Commandments monument alleged that it violated the U.S. Constitution. Federal courts are the arbiters of the U.S. Constitution.

Q: Why hasn't the Supreme Court intervened in the Alabama case?

A: In 1980, the Supreme Court struck down a law in Kentucky that ordered schools to post the Ten Commandments. Since then, it has declined to intervene in local disputes over public displays of the Commandments. In April, the court let stand a federal appeals court ruling that a Ten Commandments monument outside Kentucky's Capitol would be unconstitutional.

Q: Is it true the Ten Commandments are displayed in the Supreme Court? Why can the Supreme Court have them and not the courthouse in Alabama?

A: A frieze in the justices' courtroom includes a depiction of Moses and the Ten Commandments, and the Commandments are a recurring theme in ornamental brass gates and other architectural touches at the marble building. But the message is arguably secular, because Moses and the Commandments appear with other lawgivers of history, including Napoleon, Solomon and Charlemagne.

Q: If the Ten Commandments are forbidden in some circumstances, why has it been customary to have witnesses swear to tell the truth while placing their hand on the Bible?

A: They do not have to swear on the Bible. The Supreme Court has ruled that government may not require a person to swear to any belief he or she does not hold. Witnesses have the option of affirming that they will tell the truth, without reference to the Bible or God.

Q: Why is "In God we trust" allowed on U.S. currency?

A: Not every government reference to God violates the separation of church and state. The Supreme Court has not ruled directly on "In God we trust" on currency, but lower federal courts have said it is not unconstitutional.

Q: What happened to the federal court ruling in California that said the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional because of its reference to "under God"?

A: It is on appeal to the Supreme Court. The justices are likely to announce this fall whether they will hear the appeal. The Bush administration has urged the justices to take up the case, likening the phrase "under God" in the Pledge to "In God we trust" on currency.
 
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Donny_B said:
According to a USA Today/Gallup Poll which appears in today's USA Today, when asked "Do you approve of a federal court order to remove a Ten Commandments monument displayed in an Alabama court building?", the results of the poll were

19% Yes
77% No
4% No Opinion

This could be the very issue that further solidifies the Republican majority on Capitol Hill and the White House.

It's kinda interesting that the public elected 8 officials that would vote allegedly against their wishes. The people of Alabama elected their justices, and their justices voted. If the majority of the public of Alabama (77%) really does believe that the commandments should stay, then they should elect justices that agree with them for next time.
 
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Volos said:
And IIRC one in five Americans believes Elvis is still alive.

It is very fortunate that truth and the interpretation of the United States Constitution is not left up to public opinion.

Agreed.

"Ain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And ain't that a big enough majority in any town?" -- Mark Twain, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.

:D
 
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Ironically, Judge Moore had the same dispute and controversey over a wooden plaque of the Ten Commandments, some years back. This was before he got voted in to his current position. He was known by most, as 'the Ten Commandments judge'. Even with this stigma attached, the majority of people still voted him to his curent position.

Talk about a government of the people, by the people and for the people. :rolleyes:
 
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TheBear said:
Ironically, Judge Moore had the same dispute and controversey over a wooden plaque of the Ten Commandments, some years back. This was before he got voted in to his current position. He was known by most, as 'the Ten Commandments judge'. Even with this stigma attached, the majority of people still voted him to his curent position.

Talk about a government of the people, by the people and for the people. :rolleyes:

If this were a true Democracy then the will of the people on issues would be all important. Fortunately however, in a Constitutional Republic and the constitution outweighs the will of the people.

Why on earth the religious right hasn't gone ahead and pushed a constitutional amendment declaring the United States to be a Christian country based on Christian principles is beyond me.... You could post the 10 commandments everywhere you wanted, you could legaly require public officials to be "born again," you could openly discriminate against anyone who rejected Christianity. If you put that before the American people perhaps we could settle this once and for all.
 
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TheBear said:
Ironically, Judge Moore had the same dispute and controversey over a wooden plaque of the Ten Commandments, some years back. This was before he got voted in to his current position. He was known by most, as 'the Ten Commandments judge'. Even with this stigma attached, the majority of people still voted him to his curent position.

Talk about a government of the people, by the people and for the people. :rolleyes:

There's nothing ironic about political grandstanding.

Let's look for a pattern here:

1: Moore has little wooden plaque of the 10C.
2: Plaque causes controversy.
3: Moore gets public support from Alabama's Christian community.
4: Moore gets elected to Alabama State Supreme court.

5: Moore has bigger, better, stone monument of the 10C
6: Monument causes more controversy.
7: Moore gets more public support from Alabama's and the rest of the nation's Christian community.
8: ________________________________

(fill in the blank)

I'll bet Moore's favorite bedtime story as a child was The Three Little Pigs. He would've made the first 10C out of straw if he could have :D
 
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