6,000 year old earth theory conflicts with the speed of light.

[Forge3]

As I expected. But the lonlinesss of a fallen angel is inconceivable to mortals.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

wow... just Wow.. Madam your posts are amazing.

You doubt that His created forces are spirits/angels/his servants and messengers, who answer to Him?
Stars and lightnings, winds, waters, and fire all serve Him and are His messengers. There is not a created power that is without intelligence and that does not answer to the Creator to do His will, and obey His command.

That is the Word of God. Everything in creation is supernaturally created and is upheld supernaturally; and nothing exists that is outside the supernatural creation of the Creator. Every created thing is a "power/force/spirit" and is created to serve Him.
Stars, waters, seas, winds, waves, rain, lightning, rocks, fire -the earth, herself...and all living breathing souls of all creatures -and us.

"In Him we live and move and have our being".

Romans 8: 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we [are]?

Jdg 5:20

They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.


Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
Rev 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four [and] twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Enoch: 100: 9 Woe to you, ye sinners, on account of the words of your mouth,
And on account of the deeds of your hands which your godlessness has wrought,
In blazing flames burning worse than fire shall ye burn. 10And now, know ye that from the angels He will inquire as to your deeds in heaven, from the sun and from the moon and from the stars in reference to your sins because upon the earth ye execute judgement on the righteous. 11And He will summon to testify against you every cloud and mist and dew and rain; for they shall all be withheld because of you from descending upon you, and they shall be mindful of your sins.

10And he said to me: "Thou son of man, herein thou dost seek to know what is hidden." 11And the other angel who went with me and showed me what was hidden told me what is first and last in the heaven in the height, and beneath the earth in the depth, and at the ends of the heaven, and on the foundation of the heaven. 12And the chambers of the winds, and how the winds are divided, and how they are weighed, and how the portals of the winds are reckoned, each according to the power of the wind, and the power of the lights of the moon, and according to the power that is fitting: and the divisions of the stars according to their names, and how all the divisions are divided. 13And the thunders according to the places where they fall, and all the divisions that are made among the lightnings that it may lighten, and their host that they may at once obey. 14For the thunder has places of rest which are assigned to it while it is waiting for its peal; and the thunder and lightning are inseparable, and although not one and undivided, they both go together through the spirit and separate not. 15For when the lightning lightens, the thunder utters its voice, and the spirit enforces a pause during the peal, and divides equally between them; for the treasury of their peals is like the sand, and each one of them as it peals is held in with a bridle, and turned back by the power of the spirit, and pushed forward according to the many quarters of the earth.
16And the spirit of the sea is masculine and strong, and according to the might of his strength he draws it back with a rein, and in like manner it is driven forward and disperses amid all the mountains of the earth.
17And the spirit of the hoar-frost is his own angel, and the spirit of the hail is a good angel. 18And the spirit of the snow has forsaken his chambers on account of his strength- There is a special spirit therein, and that which ascends from it is like smoke, and its name is frost. 19And the spirit of the mist is not united with them in their chambers, but it has a special chamber; for its course is glorious both in light and in darkness, and in winter and in summer, and in its chamber is an angel. 20And the spirit of the dew has its dwelling at the ends of the heaven, and is connected with the chambers of the rain, and its course is in winter and summer: and its clouds and the clouds of the mist are connected, and the one gives to the other. 21And when the spirit of the rain goes forth from its chamber, the angels come and open the chamber and lead it out, and when it is diffused over the whole earth it unites with the water on the earth. And whensoever it unites with the water on the earth... For the waters are for those who dwell on the earth; 22for they are nourishment for the earth from the Most High who is in heaven: therefore there is a measure for the rain, and the angels take it in charge.
23And these things I saw towards the Garden of the Righteous.

 

[Forge3]

Length of words means nothing to God.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The bible clear says God has no physical form so ...

God has a physical form: His name is God the Word, and Adam was made in His very same exact "tupos" image. Adam was made in the image/tselem of God, who was to come and is come, in flesh -forever.


Romans 5: 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure/Tupos of him that was to come.

 

[Forge3]

God has a physical form: His name is God the Word, and Adam was made in His very same exact "tupos" image. Adam was made in the image/tselem of God, who was to come and is come, in flesh -forever.


Romans 5: 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure/Tupos of him that was to come.

You are like a baby cradled in unknowing.

 

[Jipsah]

True, the dwelling place was created first then man was created.

Sounds like good policy to me. "Welcome, Adam! now if you'd be good enough to just step over there.... oh drat, there isn't any over there yet."

 

[Jipsah]

There is nothing new under the sun, neither can anyone say "see! "This is new"! For it has all been done before by those who came before us".

I wanna see one of those ancient lasers.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I wanna see one of those ancient lasers.

And what do you think God used to write the Ten Commandments with?
quote me, from another board, long ago:

Laser technology in the ancient past was used to write on rock and draw many scenes on rock.
There is abundant proof of that in artifacts around the world.
After the dark age brought about at the fall of Babel, A more primitive type of "laser" technology was later used by Archimedes, which is described from many ancient texts read and referenced by Robert Temple, in The Crystal Sun. -and Robert Temple is not a Christian and has nothing to do with the Bible. He just wrote the book about ancient high technology in optics, from history and artifacts.

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For evidence of laser usage by the ancients, visit ooparts sites, which catalogue artifacts of high technological creations

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Ecc 1:9
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

 

[Tiredknight]

God has a physical form: His name is God the Word, and Adam was made in His very same exact "tupos" image. Adam was made in the image/tselem of God, who was to come and is come, in flesh -forever.


Romans 5: 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure/Tupos of him that was to come.

Except that is not what the bible says...

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Except that is not what the bible says...

That is exactly what the Bible says. In many places.

 

[disciple1938]

Where does this idea of the earth or the universe or whatever is only 7000 years old come from. Where does the bible even say such a thing? Just curious.

 

[Tiredknight]

That is exactly what the Bible says. In many places.

Ok well then Oh wise and biblical master what do you do with John 4:24 that contradicts everything you are saying...

 

[Forge3]

Even as I am a fallen angel and your words are as as chaff for the grist mill.

 

[Habakk]

Where does this idea of the earth or the universe or whatever is only 7000 years old come from. Where does the bible even say such a thing? Just curious.

It’s basically worked out on the genealogy from Adam + 6 days according to YEC creationists. A rather precarious and fragile premise given the way ancients viewed and kept genealogy records. According to James Ussher’s Classic Survey of World History the world started at 1 AM, 710 JP, 4004 BC that he calculates to be Sunday, October 23 (Julian) or September 21 (Gregorian). So Adam’s creation date would be Friday October 28 4004 BC.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Where does this idea of the earth or the universe or whatever is only 7000 years old come from. Where does the bible even say such a thing? Just curious.

It gives the ages of the patriarchs from the creation to the fall of the temple, and we know the rest.
Also, the Real Book of Jasher gives the very years of every event from creation up to the going into Canaan of Israel. That book fills in any and all gaps in ages and years and times from the beginning to the entering into Canaan of Israel. [ http://www.ccel.org/a/anonymous/jasher/real.htm ]
Also, God gave the times and seasons of this present creation in several ways. One is the millennial week of thousand year days. He gave that in the oracles and the ancients knew it and believed it -and wrote of it.
The whole idea of Jesus coming in the "last days" is from God's calendar of millennial days. He came at the beginning of the fifth millennial day, which is indeed the "last days" of the one week allotted, and creation was in the beginning and the middle had passed when Jesus came.
The "Last day" is almost upon us, being the Sabbath Millennium, and the Word is filled with the blessings of that "Last Day" to come upon this earth.
Then, in the Living Oracles; and then the "Eighth Day" is oracled in the Word by the circumcision which is the "sign" of that Day and the beginning of the new creation, when Adam no longer procreates on earth, and the Blessings of the Sons of God who enter into that Day are fulfilled forever.
That "Great Day", the" New Beginning" is also oracled/signed, in God's living Oracles, coming after the seven days of Tabernacle are ended, and being rehearsed as that Day when the Water of Life is poured out in blessing upon all the nations -who enter into that day.

 

[Habakk]

Also, the Real Book of Jasher gives the very years of every event from creation up to the going into Canaan of Israel.

The real book of Jasher is mentioned in scripture by Joshua, as a sort of recognised civil record of the time. Although there is no evidence that that book has survived as any of the modern day versions we see. Also it is not a recognised canonical book, so we should not be basing doctrine on it. Like the books of Enoch it is not likely to be genuine. With Enoch, the genealogies don’t correspond with those in Genesis in regards to time.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

It’s basically worked out on the genealogy from Adam + 6 days according to YEC creationists. A rather precarious and fragile premise given the way ancients viewed and kept genealogy records. According to James Ussher’s Classic Survey of World History the world started at 1 AM, 710 JP, 4004 BC that he calculates to be Sunday, October 23 (Julian) or September 21 (Gregorian). So Adam’s creation date would be Friday October 28 4004 BC.

Ussher did a lot of good work, but he was missing the information in the real Book of Jasher which places Abraham's actual birth date 75 years before Ussher could figure it. He assumed Abraham's birth date was later because it is not mentioned in Genesis but seems to be tied to the age of Terah when he had his other sons, but Abraham was last born, not firstborn, though listed prominently in Genesis. So that error is because of missing information.

Abraham lived in the house of Noah and Shem for 39 years, coming out just after the Tower of Babel fell. Noah died in the 58th year of Abraham. The connection is unbroken back to the beginning of creation in the line of the Patriarchs unto the coming of Jesus Christ, and the rest is modern history and the records are easily available.

 

[Habakk]

Ussher did a lot of good work, but he was missing the information in the real Book of Jasher which places Abraham's actual birth date 75 years before Ussher could figure it. He assumed Abraham's birth date was later because it is not mentioned in Genesis but seems to be tied to the age of Terah when he had his other sons, but Abraham was last born, not firstborn, though listed prominently in Genesis. So that error is because of missing information.

Abraham lived in the house of Noah and Shem for 39 years, coming out just after the Tower of Babel fell. Noah died in the 58th year of Abraham. The connection is unbroken back to the beginning of creation in the line of the Patriarchs unto the coming of Jesus Christ, and the rest is modern history and the records are easily available.

As I mentioned in my previous post the books may be of some interest to read but they are not canonical and should not constitute doctrine. There is a whole library of pseudepigraphical, apocryphal, gnostic and other unreliable works. They are not Bible and they are invalid for doctrinal purpose.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The real book of Jasher is mentioned in scripture by Joshua, as a sort of recognised civil record of the time. Although there is no evidence that that book has survived as any of the modern day versions we see. Also it is not a recognised canonical book, so we should not be basing doctrine on it. Like the books of Enoch it is not likely to be genuine. With Enoch, the genealogies don’t correspond with those in Genesis in regards to time.

Enoch corresponds completely with Genesis, but it is not the record book of times like Jasher is.
Enoch is in the Canon list of the Ethiopian Ge'ez Bible because the Jews in Ethiopia who received the Gospel never banned Enoch nor lost it when it was banned by Rome 400 years after the Church of Jesus Christ was founded and His disciples used and quoted and believed Enoch. Canon is politics of power played by men who war with one another and have never come to a consensus, world wide, in all the ages of the Church.

There is not one single "canon" accepted by all believers in all the age of the Church, and the Holy Spirit has never played their game, nor has He ever changed His mind, nor has He ever banned Enoch the prophet's writings, which Jesus called "Scripture" when referring to what is written in it, only, about the state of the resurrected saints in the kingdom of God who do not marry nor give in marriage but who are companions of and like and with the angels in heaven, just like Enoch wrote, who also wrote that the angels in heaven do not marry nor give in marriage.
The DSS fragments of copies of copies of the Writings of Enoch prove that the Ethiopian Enoch is the same, except that the section on the Son of Man is not yet discovered in the DSS, but that is proven to be truth written by Enoch by references to the Son of Man in other parts of the Enoch fragments and proven to be Truth when Jesus quotes from and preaches His Gospel from that section on the Son of Man in heaven, as seen by Enoch.

 

[Habakk]

Enoch corresponds completely with Genesis, but it is not the record book of times like Jasher is.
Enoch is in the Canon list of the Ethiopian Ge'ez Bible because the Jews in Ethiopia who received the Gospel never banned Enoch nor lost it when it was banned by Rome 400 years after the Church of Jesus Christ was founded and His disciples used and quoted and believed Enoch. Canon is poltics of power played by men who war with one another and have never come to a consensus world wide in all the ages of the Church.

There is not one single "canon" accepted by all believers in all the age of the Church, and the Holy Spirit has never played their game, nor has He ever changed His mind, nor has He ever banned Enoch the prophet's writings, which Jesus called "Scripture" when referring to what is written in it, only, about the state of the resurrected saints in t he kingdom of God who do not marry nor give in marriage but who are companions of and like and with the angels in heaven, just like Enoch wrote, who also wrote that the angels in heaven do not marry nor give in marriage.
The DSS fragments of copies of copies of the Writings of Enoch prove that the Ethiopian Enoch is the same, except that the section on the Son of Man is not yet discovered int he DSS, but that is proven to be truth written by Enoch by references to the Son of Man in other parts of the Enoch fragments.

Then that might qualify as a subject for the unorthodox theology board.