50 REAL Differences between Men & Women

[Shimokita]

Stereotypes are socially harmful; they contribute to hierarchies in society, and to biases against particular groups, discrimination, and so on. And on a personal level, if I deal with you, not for who you are, but as if you're a bunch of stereotypes, I'll be getting it wrong a lot of the time.

It's lazy thinking, and it does a lot of harm to people who don't fit the stereotypes, and - because it contributes to stratification of groups - to pretty much everybody.

Here's an example explaining why stereotypes are harmful to people of colour, but the same principles apply with other groups: Why Stereotypes are Harmful

In an ideal world yeah, you would treat each person as an individual, but often we have to resort to stereotypes, or act according to statistical probability, out of necessity.

A quick example, the neighborhood I grew up in has a very high crime rate. When I go back home to visit, I treat people differently in that neighborhood, and carry myself differently, than I do in the low crime neighborhood that I live in now. If a random person approaches me in the the high crime neighborhood I am going to have my guard up and be more cautious than I would if a random person approached me in the low crime neighborhood. True, I have no idea whether the person in the high crime neighborhood is a good person or a criminal. He is more likely to be a good person for all I know. But it is statistically a lot more likely that he will cause me harm than the person in the good neighborhood, so I have to treat him differently for my own protection. I don't have time to treat him as an individual in that situation, because if I did it could cost me my life. This is just how it goes a lot of the times because we do not have perfect information nor the time or ability to acquire it.

I know that men and women have physical differences.

But they are equal in intelligence.

And both are created in God's image and likeness.

No, men and women are not equal in intelligence. Most of the studies indicate intelligence differences between men and women (I think recent tests actually put women's average IQ higher than men's).

 

[trophy33]

An over-correction due to abuse of power.

Nowhere in this thread have I condoned Communism. Let's not go to extremes.

I do not say you have, I am just saying that I kind of like countries where police is not aggresive, just because of my cultural mindset of how terrible it is when police is not "nice".

What good is it to have female officers if they need to be around men to do their job properly?

1. In dealing with women (you probably do not want three big men throwing your girlfriend on ground and sitting on her just because she did not buy a bus ticket and was scared and running or something like that)
2. Women policemen can be a calming element, so the situation does not escalate so much.
3. But when the situation does escalate, male policemen should do the "physical" job, I agree.

 

[trophy33]

Most of the studies indicate intelligence differences between men and women (I think recent tests actually put women's average IQ higher than men's).

You are right, women seem to have (on average) higher general IQ, while men seem to have (on average) higher IQ for specialized tasks.

Which is compatible with traditional roles, men are good leaders, specialists, technicians, pilots etc. while women are good in general tasks in households, in family. To put both genders to same job positions and to same roles makes sense neither theologically nor scientifically.

 

[Shimokita]

You are right, women seem to have (on average) higher general IQ, while men seem to have (on average) higher IQ for specialized tasks.

Which is compatible with traditional roles, men are good leaders, specialists, technicians, pilots etc. while women are good in general tasks in households, in family. To put both genders to same job positions and to same roles makes sense neither theologically nor scientifically.

Well I would not go that far, at least to me women might seem to be more suitable for many leadership positions that require strong communication skills and the ability to multi-task. In my experience women are better at that then men. I generally agree that men and women are generally better suited for different roles (on average) but I would not necessarily agree that they should all just stay at home while the men do the "serious" jobs.

 

[Romans 8]

1. In dealing with women (you probably do not want three big men throwing your girlfriend on ground and sitting on her just because she did not buy a bus ticket and was scared and running or something like that)
2. Women policemen can be a calming element, so the situation does not escalate so much.
3. But when the situation does escalate, male policemen should do the "physical" job, I agree.

I disagree with 1 and 2. For #3, why even have a woman on hand?

I think having a woman back at the station for purposes of searching other women is a good idea. But, out on patrol, they may be taking the place of a more qualified person.

 

[trophy33]

Well I would not go that far, at least to me women might seem to be more suitable for many leadership positions that require strong communication skills and the ability to multi-task. In my experience women are better at that then men. I generally agree that men and women are generally better suited for different roles (on average) but I would not necessarily agree that they should all just stay at home while the men do the "serious" jobs.

I have never met a woman that is good in multitasking. They can do some automatic actions like we all can while concentrating on something else.

But whenever I saw a woman to multi-task in something important, the outcome was bad, low and had to be fixed. No difference with men. Multitasking is bad, generally, if its about some critical things.

Having a strong and functional family is as serious (or rather more serious) as being an engineer. Traditional female roles are being belittled from some reason in the last two decades.

 

[trophy33]

I disagree with 1 and 2. For #3, why even have a woman on hand?

I think having a woman back at the station for purposes of searching other women is a good idea. But, out on patrol, they may be taking the place of a more qualified person.

Probably depends on the criminal situation and danger in a specific country.

If there is very low criminality in the EU, its better to have a female officer in team for talking, softing things etc. If the most common things you are working with are wrongly parked cars, children sitting on benches, confused tourists, pickpocketing or lost dogs.

If you are in some US ghetto full of drug addicts with "free" guns everywhere, where there are murders, shootings and similar, of course the situation is quite different.

 

[Romans 8]

Probably depends on the criminal situation and danger in a specific country.

If there is very low criminality in the EU, its better to have a female officer in team for talking, softing things etc. If the most common things you are working with are wrongly parked cars, children sitting on benches or lost dogs.

If you are in some US ghetto full of drug addicts with "free" guns everywhere, of course the situation is quite different. It was stupid from the Swedish police to send only females to arrest somebody, but thats all.

It would be interesting to see if there are statistics of police women in the field. I suppose there may be more benefits than I've acknowledged, and I would think that unless it's been enforced, the ratio between men and women in the police force is probably going to remain at similar levels anyways, which means mostly men.
I would be less concerned about a female police officer than a woman firefighter that cannot carry someone down 6 flights of stairs.

 

[trophy33]

It would be interesting to see if there are statistics of police women in the field. I suppose there may be more benefits than I've acknowledged, and I would think that unless it's been enforced, the ratio between men and women in the police force is probably going to remain at similar levels. Which means mostly men. I would be less concerned about a female police officer than a woman firefighter that cannot carry someone down 6 flights of stairs.

I have actually never seen a female firefighter... I cannot imagine some subtile girl doing this.

 

[Romans 8]

I have actually never seen a female firefighter... I cannot imagine some subtile girl doing this.

Oh yeah, they exist.

It'd be interesting to review how much property value has dropped in recent years around "station 42" in light of the video.

 

[trophy33]

Oh yeah, they exist.

It'd be interesting to review how much property value has dropped in recent years around "station 42" in Phoenix as a result of the video.

Hmm, if some women want to be body builders or MMA fighters, some women will probably want to be also firefighters.

But its not very logical. One thing is doing firefighting as a sport activity, another thing is to be in a real, critical action with death, pain and blood, where lives of others depend on her physical ability.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Is that imbalance a problem? Or is it an artefact of how we're socialised?

I find that questions like this are kind of irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that men and women simply handle things differently from one another.

I've met a lot of divorcees over the years. When the subject comes up, women usually say things like "I was pressured by my family" or "I was pregnant" or "He promised he would change" or similar things. I find all those answers very telling.

With men, their explanations are often some variation on "I married the wrong woman". I find those answers even more telling.

 

[Romans 8]

Hmm, if some women want to be body builders or MMA fighters, some women will probably want to be also firefighters.

But its not very logical. One thing is doing firefighting as a sport activity, one thing is to be in a real, critical action with death, pain and blood.

You're right but the village idiots running things get funny ideas, such as this:

Men need not apply: AFP launches female-only recruitment

 

[trophy33]

You're right but the village idiots running things get funny ideas, such as this:

Men need not apply: AFP launches female-only recruitment

Some western countries are, lets say, experimenting with feminism, immigration and other ideas, how far it can go.

I think that in several generations, these countries will be in such a bad shape, that they will have to return to logic and traditional structures, because the more conservative countries will be so much better for life.

 

[trophy33]

It would be interesting to see if there are statistics of police women in the field. I suppose there may be more benefits than I've acknowledged, and I would think that unless it's been enforced, the ratio between men and women in the police force is probably going to remain at similar levels anyways, which means mostly men.
I would be less concerned about a female police officer than a woman firefighter that cannot carry someone down 6 flights of stairs.

Look, there are female officers but they were not active in physical action, men were doing it. Female officers are in patrols rather for talking, support (like at 3:18) etc.

 

[Romans 8]

Some western countries are, lets say, experimenting with feminism, immigration and other ideas, how far it can go.

I think that in several generations, these countries will be in such a bad shape, that they will have to return to logic and traditional structures, because the more conservative countries will be so much better for life.

I worry less about what happens as a result of the enemy's agendas, as God is ultimately in control, but rather so people are aware of them to minimize any damage they may cause. I believe this is one way we wear the armor of God.

 

[Romans 8]

Look, there are female officers but they were not active in physical action, men were doing it. Female officers are in patrols rather for talking, support etc.

I did acknowledge earlier in the thread that there is a place for women in law enforcement. But is a 50% ratio necessary to be enforced such as in Australia? I beg to differ.

 

[trophy33]

I did acknowledge earlier in the thread that there is a place for women in law enforcement. But is a 50% ratio necessary to be enforced such as in Australia? I beg to differ.

If its only in Australia, then its not much of a problem for me If they want it, let them have it.

 

[Shimokita]

I have never met a woman that is good in multitasking. They can do some automatic actions like we all can while concentrating on something else.

But whenever I saw a woman to multi-task in something important, the outcome was bad, low and had to be fixed. No difference with men. Multitasking is bad, generally, if its about some critical things.

Bad, but often necessary. My experience with it is that women are better at it than men (I think there are some scientific studies that back this up too).

Having a strong and functional family is as serious (or rather more serious) as being an engineer. Traditional female roles are being belittled from some reason in the last two decades.

Certainly. This is why I put "serious" in quotation marks.

 

[PoppyB]

The following video could help dispel the myth which the mainstream media is peddling that men and women are exactly the same on the inside (clones), and merely have different containers on the outside (an outty and an inny) and it's up to you how you want to "identify". This could not be further from the truth. The fact is that there are probably more differences than similarities.

50 REAL Differences Between Men & Women

Very interesting.