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Featured 490 years Daniel 9 - my chart

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. pc_home

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    Douggg,
    What was revealed to Daniel were sacred and hi-priestly things - far, far away from natural human thought.
    Daniel received in several portions the wisdom that helped him understand the vision.
    1. In 547 BC. Daniel received the vision for „2300 days“ (Daniel 8)
    2. In 539 BC. Daniel received the vision for „70 weeks“ (Daniel 9)
    3. In 536 BC. Daniel expected something important to happen and fasted for 21 days (Daniel 10)
    From the connection of 1.-2.-3. it follows that Daniel understood the great sacred secret connected with the temple in the city of Jerusalem, that - the "weeks" are time periods not of 7, but of 8 years – Venus years!
    2300 + „70 weeks“ (70x8 = 560) + 21 = 2881 – is a full 8-year cycle on the planet Venus of 2880 or 2881 days.
    Daniel understood that the Archangel Michael (as the Jews call the planet Venus), who gave the instruction on which exact place to build Holy of Holies of the temple in the city of Jerusalem makes this instruction every 8 years. Daniel wanted this to happen in 536 BC, but someone interfered (see Daniel 10). Thus, Daniel understood that the decree of „Prince Michael“ (the planet Venus) would be issued in 8 years - in 528 BC.
    Jesus Christ was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary on the day of the winter solstice in 8 BC.
    9 months later - on the day of the autumn equinox of 7 BC. Mary gave birth to the Infant [exactly after 120x8 cycles of Venus or 480x2 (960) years after the beginning of the construction of the Temple of Solomon].
    In the summer of 25 AD , when He was still 30 years old, Jesus was baptized and Holy Spirit anointed him for the Messiah. This is what Daniel 9: 24-27 says.
    From 528 BC. - to 25 AD are 69x8 = 552 years - and the Messiah appeared.
    In the middle of the last „week“ of 8 years - from 25 AD to 33 AD years, in the middle of the last 70th „week“ - week of 8 years, i.e. in the spring of 29 AD Jesus became the sacrifice (see Daniel 9: 27a).
    In 33 AD. „70 weeks“ or 560 years (from 528 BC - to 33 AD) set aside for the Jews - the years are over. The gospel went to Cornelius (exactly at the ninth hour; Jesus on the cross said „It is finished“ - at the ninth hour; see Daniel 9: 21 - about the time of the evening oblation - at the ninth hour) and the Gentiles …
    The decree in question was not issued by a human being, but by a celestial one - by an archangel (Prince Michael).
    Everything related to the Temple in Jerusalem was subject to the 8 and 40 (5x8) annual cycles of the planet Venus; at 8 years cycles (sacred weeks) and not at ordinary 7 years cycles. These are secrets that were entrusted only to people of noble origin. These people were skilled astronomers and understood what the watchers (see Daniel 4: 17) - the planets - the saints were telling them ...

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    [Among the ancient Canaanites and the Jews: - one Cycle ("sa · nah") of Venus was 8 years (see Genesis 6: 3 - 120 "sa · nah" are 120x8 = 960 years); one Generation of Venus was equated with 5 Cycles of the planet Venus or 40 years (5x8); one Age of Venus was equal to 12 Generations of Venus or = 480 years (12x40); and a complete Era of the evening-morning star "Shalim" (the planet Venus) lasted 3 Ages of Venus or = 1 440 years (480x3). (Solomon began to build his temple… after the Flood of one thousand four hundred and forty years. ”(See Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus Flavius, Book VIII, Ch. III, § I) This statement of Josephus is hardly true. (Is a priestly reading of the text possible, ie 1440x8 = 11,520 years?), but it clearly shows that for the Jews, many of the important moments in their history were related to the cycles of the planet Venus.]
     
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  2. klutedavid

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    Did members of your family convert to the SDA or were you raised in the SDA.

    That must cause you grief at times.
     
  3. klutedavid

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    To the Reformers the Pope was definitely the man of lawlessness and that was beyond any debate. Move forward to the present era and the Catholic church has diminished in power. It's reputation is in tatters and it's church worldwide are losing members rapidly.

    It is impossible for the Catholic church to be identified with the man of lawlessness anymore, those days are long gone.

    We will not know who that son of perdition is until it is revealed to us.
     
  4. mkgal1

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    These are the 3 dates possible that biblical scholars have looked at for the beginning point of the 70 weeks:

    From quoted article: There are but three possible dates for the commencement of the seventy-week calendar. First, Zerubbabel led a group of Hebrews out of captivity in 536 B.C. This seems to be an unlikely beginning point, however, because 486 years from 536 B.C. would end at 50 B.C., which was eighty years prior to Jesus’ death. Second, Nehemiah led a band back to Canaan in 444 B.C. Is this the commencement point for computing the prophecy? Probably not, for 486 years after 444 B.C. ends at A.D. 42—a dozen years after the death of Christ. However, in 457 B.C., Ezra took a company from Babylon back to Jerusalem. Does this date work mathematically? Indeed. If one starts at 457 B.C., and goes forward for 486½ years, the resulting date is A.D. 30—the very year of Christ’s crucifixion! This is the common view (Scott 1975, 5.364).
    Daniel's Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks

    Ezra 6:14 helps to clear this up (I believe, anyway)

    Ezra 6:14 ~ So the Jewish elders built and prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah son of Iddo. They finished building according to the command of the God of Israel and the decrees of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes, kings of Persia.
     
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  5. DavidPT

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    What I'm saying is this, so try and get on the same page with me here first before you think you can just shoot down my argument just like that. You have to know what I'm actually arguing first, and that I'm not convinced that you do. If Christ is meant in verse 27, and I'm not the one claiming Christ is meant in verse 27, some of you are, but if He is meant in that verse, and the fact that the entire verse is meaning the 70th week, this would indicate that there has to be a gap in the 70th week, then.

    How? This part----and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate---cannot be applied within 3.5 years of Christ's death, thus a gap if Christ is meant in verse 27.

    It is ludicrous that the context of verse 27 is not the entire 70th week from start to finish. The 70th week does not involve just half a week, it involves a full week. If this part involves up to the first half----and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease---it only stands to reason that this part involves the 2nd half, then---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
     
  6. Cis.jd

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    Yeah, these topics that have some one trying to trace the 2nd coming by making graphs, analogies, calculations, etc are pure fanatics than someone with faith.

    It's all someones assumptions based on their interpretation that will never be confirmed until that happens. It's a useless thought and just the mind being creative out of boredom.
     
  7. jgr

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    You don't believe that the papacy apostasized in the centuries leading up to the Reformation?

    If not, what was the purpose of the Reformation, and the suffering and death which millions of those who opposed the apostate papacy endured?

    He was not yet revealed when Paul predicted him. He was ultimately fully revealed and accurately recognized by the Reformers.

    In 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Paul predicted his occupancy in the "naos" temple of the believer, collectively the Church; arrogating spiritual authority therein.

    History confirms the accuracy of Paul's prescient warning.
     
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  8. Douggg

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    Sounds like you are in the wrong forum. The eschatology forum may not be for you.
     
  9. Dave L

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    No gap, nothing to discuss with anyone saying there is. Faith comes from exegesis, not eisegesis.
     
  10. Dave L

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    The Papacy still permeates EVERY church. Dispensationalism represents the Jesuits. Free Will is a Catholic doctrine embedded everywhere. Infant baptism... should ring a bell. There's no doubt more if we look for it.
     
  11. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    Well informed doesn't = "Correct".
     
  12. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    No and no. It's a cousin and her husband, who was raised SDA. But I also read the book The Two Babylons very long ago so I know what they are talking about. But I was not raised Christian.
     
  13. mkgal1

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    This highlights the problem of the varying interpretations of Daniel's prophecy within Christianity today. Up until the 1800s, it was the common understanding that the 70 weeks were completed at Christ's first advent. It's not a prophecy about His second coming, but His first. Some of us are looking at confirmation of something that has happened (Jesus's ministry) and the historical calendar that predicted it (and confirmed the prophecies).

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  14. Fullness of the Gentiles

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    I don't believe the man of sin has been revealed yet so I'm not expecting the bus to come from any specific direction, just because the Papacy applied for the position and remains a very good candidate. I will keep a look out for the bus coming from a direction I thought not.
     
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  15. Dave L

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    Unless you prove them wrong, you are wrong.
     
  16. Douggg

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    That chart is wrong and my chart is right. Because that chart...

    1. is based on the wrong going forth of the command to rebuild the city and the wall. The 457BC command by Artaxerxes in Ezra 7 does not include the wall. The 445BC command by Artaxerxes in Nehemiah 2 includes the rebuilding of the wall. "and the wall" is in Daniel 9:25.

    2. the chart has the 483 years as being to the Baptism event of Jesus in the Jordan river, which is not in Jerusalem, as being the arrival of the messiah to Jerusalem. The prophecy in Daniel 9 does not say anything about the beginning of Jesus's ministry.

    Jesus was anointed by the woman in Bethany shorty before going to Jerusalem to be cutoff. That is the anointing of his body for burial, as said by Jesus in the text. Not the dove lighting on Jesus at his baptism in the wilderness.

    3. the chart has Jesus crucified 486.5 years from the command of Artaxeres, 3 1/2 years off. Jesus arrived in Jerusalem and 4 days later was crucified.

    4. the chart does not show the resurrection of Jesus, which is the basis of the covenant - which the chart is claiming is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 to be confirmed for 7 years (following the messiah cutoff). The text of Daniel 9 said nothing about the messiah being resurrected. Nor is the resurrection shown on the above chart.

    5. the chart is wrong because the Jews, Israel, have not ,for the most part, embraced the gospel of salvation, nor Jesus as the messiah.

    6. the chart is wrong because everlasting righteousness has not been brought in to neither Daniel's people the Jews nor Israel - nor is the present state of the world. And will not be brought in until Jerusalem and the Jews say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord - which does not happen until Jesus returns.

    7. the chart is wrong because it has misidentified the covenant in Daniel 9:27. The covenant to be confirmed for 7 years is the Mt. Sinai covenant by the prince who shall come, the Antichrist. The for 7 years is in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

    8. the chart is wrong because the stopping of the daily sacrifice and the abominations relating to it in the midst of the 7 years, has not talken place yet, according Daniel 12:11-12, at the time of the end in Daniel 12:4. The abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24:15 triggers the great tribulation a time of unmatched horror that will never be equaled nor surpassed. And which ends only by Jesus's Return.

    9. the chart is wrong because it treats the 7 year 70th week as been already fulfilled, by the gospel going to the gentiles at the stoning of Stephen - which there is nothing in Daniel 9 of Stephen being stoned, nor of the gospel going to the gentiles. The 490 years is determined to be on Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem.

    My chart is right because the last 7 years of the 490 years is detached. Just as the Jews and Israel were in exile for 2000 years. And the 7 years is in Ezekiel 39, and in Revelation 11 and Revelation 12, which the components of the 7 years in each of those chapters are added together to be the 7 years.

    This is the correct chart of the 490 years...

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  17. DavidPT

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    I'm done after this post, in regards to my discussion with you about this in particular, since you seem to lack reading comprehension, but not meaning that in general, but meaning that in regards to what I'm posting and how you are replying to those posts, thus you still have no clue as to what I'm even arguing here, no matter how many time I try and explain it.

    One more time, my point is this. No matter how you look at it there is a gap in the 70 weeks. Not one single interpretation can work without it involving a gap, period. The context of verse 27 is the 70th week, not just the first half, but the 2nd half as well, as in an entire week. And since there has to be a gap no matter what, why are some arguing against no gaps in the 70 weeks, especially when some of us think the gap maybe fits after the 69 weeks and not after the middle of the week?

    Granted, it is perfectly understandable why some flat out reject there being a gap after the 69 weeks, based on how Dispensationalists then see that involving a literal rebuilt temple in the future, with animal sacrificing resuming, so on and so so, and how that is often connected with Pretrib on top of that. I don't blame anyone for not willing to accept that. I don't accept that either, yet I too see the 70th week as future. But there are other ways to understand some of these things besides in the literal sense. If anyone should know about things like that, you would think it would be Amils for sure, yet I'm Premil and not Amil, and I know about things like that, and apparently Amils don't, in this case anyway.

    To sum it up then, no one needs to be arguing that there are no gaps in the 70 weeks. That argument doesn't even make sense in light of verse 27. What one should be arguing instead, where the gap is. Is it after the 69th week, or is it after the middle of the 70th week?
     
  18. Dave L

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    You need to prove the gap or admit you cannot. I would throw the sponge in too and start over.
     
  19. mkgal1

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    First of all, what Bible version are you using?

    All I'm seeing say, "for your people and your holy city" Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are decreed for your people and your holy city to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
     
  20. Douggg

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    DANIEL CHAPTER 9 KJV

    The KJV differs from your version of "the Most Holy Place". Instead the KJV has "to anoint the Most Holy". A person.

    In CG's chart, it assumes to anoint the Most Holy, because it takes the dove lighting on Jesus at his baptism. Not the anointing of the Most Holy Place.

    Do you disagree with CG's anointing of the Most Holy ? And not the Most Holy Place.
     
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