47 Republicans Vote With Democrats to Protect Same-Sex Marriage

[essentialsaltes]

I’m not talking about Israel under the old covenant.

I know you're not, but Jews still live and breathe today. Many of them keep kosher. But they don't mistake the rules of their religion for the law of the land.

 

[Hammster]

I know you're not, but Jews still live and breathe today. Many of them keep kosher. But they don't mistake the rules of their religion for the law of the land.

They are apostate. So I’m not concerned with what they do.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

47 Republicans Vote With Democrats to Protect Same-Sex Marriage

Dont worry, dear conservatives, it will die in the senate, as is the fate of all bills.

I wonder, if conservatives are not willing to conserve the sanctity of marriage, what are they willing to conserve.

 

[essentialsaltes]

They are apostate.

Can you be an apostate of a faith you were never a part of? (Seems a bit harsh as well to discuss Jews in this manner.)

On the contrary, Jews seem to be keeping the faith of their fathers.

“If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him."

 

[Hammster]

Can you be an apostate of a faith you were never a part of? (Seems a bit harsh as well to discuss Jews in this manner.)

On the contrary, Jews seem to be keeping the faith of their fathers.

“If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which you have not known, neither you nor your fathers, 7 of the gods of the people which are all around you, near to you or far off from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth, 8 you shall not consent to him or listen to him."

The Jews are apostate because they reject their Messiah. They are now of the synagogue of Satan.

 

[SilverBear]

Sure. Let’s go with that.

its what you've been going with all along

 

[SilverBear]

I never said I hate them.

Abomination
Vile
blight on society
they should go back in the closet
they are the ones dehumanizing others

You've been saying it loud and clear

 

[SilverBear]

How did I soil it? If I used it incorrectly, please explain your understanding of the passage.

it has nothing to do with your sick claim that somehow LGBT individuals are dehumanizing everyone else

 

[SilverBear]

I’m not talking about Israel under the old covenant.

but you are using the old covenant to promote hate and discrimination

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Abomination
Vile
blight on society
they should go back in the closet
they are the ones dehumanizing others

You've been saying it loud and clear

Did you know that it is possible to disapprove of the actions of others without hating them as a person?

 

[Yttrium]

Did you know that it is possible to disapprove of the actions of others without hating them as a person?

The language used seems to be well beyond simple disapproval.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

it has nothing to do with your sick claim that somehow LGBT individuals are dehumanizing everyone else

Not everyone else, just anyone who disapproves of their perversion and their attempts to normalize it.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The language used seems to be well beyond simple disapproval.

Doesn't matter, even an extremely strong disapproval of a person's actions do not necessitate hate for that person. In fact, the opposite is often true. Like when a wife strongly disapproves of the self-destructive drinking habbit of their husband.

 

[loveofourlord]

Did you know that it is possible to disapprove of the actions of others without hating them as a person?

I don't hate black people, I just hate they are black. You don't hate them just who they are...yeah, not something anyones going to actually think is a difference.

 

[Yttrium]

Doesn't matter, even an extremely strong disapproval of a person's actions do not necessitate hate for that person. In fact, the opposite is often true. Like when a wife strongly disapproves of the self-destructive drinking habbit of their husband.

That's a good analogy.

 

[rjs330]

Seems the majority have no problem with SSM and homosexuality in general. And abortion. And matters such as universal health care. Maybe if you checked the trends then you'd realise that. And I presume you'd welcome those decisions in so many countries. America with SSM, Ireland with abortion, almost everyone in regard to universal health care. Decisions cast by the majority in each country.

The states in America make many of those decisions. The states also have a representative government which the people vote for. A democracy. If they don't like what their representatives are doing they vote someone else in.

Just cause one state has a lot of people doesn't mean they get to decide things for the rest of the country. Our democracy starts with the states first before the federal government. And they can givern themselves as they see fit. As long as they do no violate the constitution.

When it comes to SSM, at at this point as long as the states govern licensing of marriage then the Federal Government can regulate that under equal protection. All gays can get married.

I'm for removing the licensing from the state and putting it back to a civil licensing as a contract between two people. The marriage can be performed by anyone recognized having that ability. That way anyone including gays can get married and it does not bump into religious freedom rights. Everyone's happy.

 

[rjs330]

It was God who gave that law. And God is Jesus. So in those days Jesus mandated that a certain type of person be killed for no other reason than behaving in a way Jesus deemed wrong.

Jesus may have changed his mind when he came to Earth but you can’t ignore the past just because it does not fit with your preconceived notion of who YOU want God to be.

YOU don’t get to define God. God does: by his own word i.e. the Bible.

Jesus didn't change his mind. Romans one tells us that. What he did was create a New Covenant where his death and resurrection provided the sacrifice and a new way of doing things. It's still sinful as is lying, adultery, rebellion etc. He removed ceremonial law because the new covenant didn't need it. He provided a new contract because of his sacrifice. And now punishment for sin is his and his alone. Unless you are part of the church. Then we can discipline you for your sin in the manner prescribed in the scriptures.

This was the plan all along. It's not like God sat around trying to think of a way to make things different. Then one day he snaps his fingers and says, "Hey I've got an idea!".

The New Covenant and sacrifice of Christ was the plan all along.

 

[rjs330]

But in the time of the OT God tells people to kill the gays. He may have changed his mind about telling people to go out to murder them but that does not alter the fact that God’s character includes a desire to have gay people specifically killed for doing gay stuff.

Nope, the scripture did not just mention gays. It mentioned a whole lot of stuff. And all of it deserves death. You think all those other people doing those things deserve death?

They are filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and vice; stuffed with jealousy, murder, quarrelling, dishonesty and ill-will; they are gossips,slanderers, haters of God; they are insolent, arrogant and boastful; they plan evil schemes; they disobey their parents;they are brainless, faithless, heartless and ruthless. - Romans 1:29-31 Bible Gateway passage: Romans 1:29-31 - Complete Jewish Bible

Do those who do those things deserve death? I'm sure those who are disobedient to parents don't feel that way, or gossips. The cry is I'm fine, I'm not a sinner, I don't deserve that. Do they deserve that?

 

[rjs330]

That’s pretty prejudiced. Being gay does not mean one automatically has all those negative traits.

The bible doesn't say they do. Those are all individual sins. They are not all attributed to gays. Being gay is just one of the things that are sinful. The rest of those things are equally sinful and if you are doing those things then you deserve punishment. But the good news is God is also patient and has provided a way out of that.

Or perhaps you despise the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience; because you don’t realize that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to turn from your sins.To those who seek glory, honor and immortality by perseverance in doing good, he will pay back eternal life.But to those who are self-seeking, who disobey the truth and obey evil, he will pay back wrath and anger.Yes, he will pay back misery and anguish to every human being who does evil, to the Jew first, then to the Gentile;but glory and honor and shalom to everyone who keeps doing what is good, to the Jew first, then to the Gentile. - Romans 2:4,7-10 Bible Gateway passage: Romans 2:4, Romans 2:7-10 - Complete Jewish Bible

But now, quite apart from Torah, God’s way of making people righteous in his sight has been made clear — although the Torah and the Prophets give their witness to it as well —and it is a righteousness that comes from God, through the faithfulness of Yeshua the Messiah, to all who continue trusting. For it makes no difference whether one is a Jew or a Gentile,since all have sinned and come short of earning God’s praise.By God’s grace, without earning it, all are granted the status of being considered righteous before him, through the act redeeming us from our enslavement to sin that was accomplished by the Messiah Yeshua.God put Yeshua forward as the kapparah for sin through his faithfulness in respect to his bloody sacrificial death. This vindicated God’s righteousness; because, in his forbearance, he had passed over [with neither punishment nor remission] the sins people had committed in the past;and it vindicates his righteousness in the present age by showing that he is righteous himself and is also the one who makes people righteous on the ground of Yeshua’s faithfulness.So what room is left for boasting? None at all! What kind of Torah excludes it? One that has to do with legalistic observance of rules? No, rather, a Torah that has to do with trusting.Therefore, we hold the view that a person comes to be considered righteous by God on the ground of trusting, which has nothing to do with legalistic observance of Torah commands. - Romans 3:21-28 Bible Gateway passage: Romans 3:21-28 - Complete Jewish Bible

 

[rjs330]

Rubbish. It because of the message you and others with your beliefs sends them.

Rubbish, it's because they have left the natural way to do the unnatural.