41 whoppers about Ellen White

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We now know that the following claims are false (or so outrageous as to need no rebuttal (see #31, 36 and 37)):

1. That Ellen G. White was a plagiarist.
2. That Ellen G. White plagiarized by paraphrasing.
3. That Ellen G. White was a millionaire.
4. That Ellen G. White was accumulating property while telling everyone else not to.
5. That Fannie Bolton wrote Steps to Christ.
6. That Ellen G. White engaged in "wholesale plagiarism" of Conybeare and Howson.
7. That Ellen G. White was threatened with a lawsuit over her alleged plagiarism.
8. That Ellen G. White took a dozen servants with her to Australia.
9. That Ellen G. White plagiarized 80-90% ("and possibly more" according to some web sites).
10. That Ellen G. White predicted the San Francisco earthquake after it happened.
11. That Ellen G. White said only vegetarians will be saved.
12. That Ellen G. White said only sabbatarians will be saved.
13. That the Library of Congress wouldn't allow Ellen G. White's book The Great Controversy into the library because of the plagiarisms involved.
14. That an entire chapter of Sketches from the Life of Paul was "taken entirely" from a sermon by Melvill.
15. That the claim that "there is no point in the entire chapter that had not already come to Mevill before" Ellen G. White.
16. That Ellen G. White saw people on Jupiter.
17. That Ellen G. White made repeated claims that Jesus was coming in specific years.
18. That Ellen G. White asked Washburn and Crisler to undertake a research of the Life of Christ and then appropriated it and published it as Desire of Ages.
19. That Ellen G. White contradicted Scripture (53, or 75, or "much more than 75") times.
20. That Ellen G. White contradicted herself.
21. That Ellen G. White predicted that England would enter into the American Civil War.
22. That Ellen G. White copied her first vision from Foy; out of 6 examples listed that Foy said the claimant got one right.
23. or, did she copy it from Joseph Smith? Even the Mormon scholars who have looked at it don't believe it.
24. That Ellen G. White predicted that someone would be healed (and yet he died).
25. That SDA's "worship" Ellen G. White.
26. That Dr. Veltman proved Ellen G. White plagiarized.
27. That Ellen G. White's visions were the result of a head injury during childhood.
28. That Ellen G. White was a follower of Joseph Smith.
29. That Ellen G. White wrote that "The Civil War is a sign that Jesus is about to return."
30. That Ellen G. White called Jesus "Michael the Archangel" (Desire of Ages pp. 99, 379; Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158; Prophets & Kings p. 572)
1) There's no reference to Michael the archangel in DA on page 379.
2) There's no equation between Christ & Michael in Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158 or Prophets & Kings p. 572.
31. "Not to mention the Mason Illuminati influence on EGW toilet paper teachings!!"
32. “But from her own mouth, she was a racist.”
33. Alleged quote from EGW: {EGW: Lazarus, leads the donkey at the triumphal entry into Jerusalem. The healed dumb shouted the loudest, healed blind led the way and the healed cripples broke the most branches. "} Can’t be found.
34. “Seeing this, in the light of her calling Him "Michael the Archangel" (Desire of Ages pp. 99, 379; Spiritual Gifts Vol. 1, p. 158; Prophets & Kings p. 572)” Unfortunately for the critic there was no mention of Michael in DA page 379, or in 1 SG 158, and there was no equation of Jesus with Michael in PK, 572.
35. Another alleged material from EGW: {EGW: THE SISTER OF MARTHA AND LAZARUS, WAS MARY MAGDALENE, AND SHE WAS LED INTO SIN BY SIMON. DA, p. 566,568.} She doesn’t.
36. “SHE WAS AN OCCULTIST FACT!”
37. “SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THE OCCULT THE ILLUMINATI!”
38. EGW copied her health ideas from Jackson. (No examples were given, despite repeated requests and then when pressed further said that they were in the book by Numbers—not there either.)
39. That Ellen G. White copied other people's ideas. Can’t prove that words were copied and yet they can prove that ideas were?!?
40. That Ellen G. White didn't believe in the Trinity, or did she? In either case, critics condemn her for either position.
41. One critic accused her of necromancy (communicating with the dead) because she said that she had talked with Enoch. I pointed out to him that according to Scripture Enoch never died.

You can prove that some of the above claims are false with as little as 5 minutes of work. The critics, however, will never spend that 5 minutes and will never admit that any of the above are false (even if they never made the claims themselves!).
 

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Today's whopper:

"What prophetess would say that God made a mistake, just to cover her own errors and failed prophecies?"

They keep lying right along!

Yeah--I saw this one being discussed on this board too--how sad.
 
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#47. She copied The Great Controversy from JN Andrews. (10/17/2009)
48. "Ellen G. White copied extensively from this book (Wylie's History of Protestantism) and claimed it was a revelation from God!" (10/17/2009)

Two in one day! Same person, no less!
 
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46. "She was trying to point you all toward christ instead you worship her;" (10/15/2009)


We had some in the church I grew up in that believed that you couldn't go to heaven without EGW. Unfortunately, for a few this one is true. However it is more about a misinformed individual than the denomination.
 
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We had some in the church I grew up in that believed that you couldn't go to heaven without EGW. Unfortunately, for a few this one is true. However it is more about a misinformed individual than the denomination.

The guy who made it based it one _ONE_ guy's "testimony" on the forum. So I asked him: why did you believe him? Does believing him make it true?
 
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5. That Fannie Bolton wrote Steps to Christ.

Isn't there proof of this?

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50. "5. JESUS’ BROTHERS WERE OLDER THAN HE AND THEY WERE THE SONS OF JOSEPH AND SIDED WITH THE RABBIS.

EGW — YES: "All this displeased His brothers. Being older than Jesus, they felt that He should be under their dictation. His brothers, as the sons of Joseph were called, sided with the rabbis. They insisted that the traditions must be heeded, as if they were the requirements of God." (Desire of Ages, p.86,87).

Note: Not Biblical. ... How can Adventists claim that the Bible is the source of their faith and accept this as the truth, and do it with a straight face? The Bible clearly states that Jesus was the firstborn of Mary.(And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.) How can the firstborn have older brothers?(Matthew 1:25; Luke 2:7)."

Where's the proof that Joseph didn't have sons before marrying Mary?

ROFL! They point to Matthew 1:25 and Luke 2:7 which clearly say "her firstborn"! What part of "her" was too hard to understand?

51. 7. ELLEN G. WHITE THE ONLY PROPHET GIVEN WINGS WHILE IN VISION.

>EGW — YES: "The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me, and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious." (Early Writings p.39).

Note that she didn't say that she was the only prophet to be given wings. What does that tell you when they lie like that? Hoping you wouldn't catch their lie? Did they think that you were too stupid to catch them?
 
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Nope. And note that it was made long after Fannie Bolton died (June, 28 1926)--how convenient, eh?

Some of Steps to Christ had been written by Ellen White before Fannie Bolton had even been concieved, much less born!

You confused me with your reply.

Where did you get the date, June 28, 1926?

Didn't Fannie work for EGW?
 
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50. "5. JESUS’ BROTHERS WERE OLDER THAN HE AND THEY WERE THE SONS OF JOSEPH AND SIDED WITH THE RABBIS.

EGW — YES: "All this displeased His brothers. Being older than Jesus, they felt that He should be under their dictation. His brothers, as the sons of Joseph were called, sided with the rabbis. They insisted that the traditions must be heeded, as if they were the requirements of God." (Desire of Ages, p.86,87).

Note: Not Biblical. ... How can Adventists claim that the Bible is the source of their faith and accept this as the truth, and do it with a straight face? The Bible clearly states that Jesus was the firstborn of Mary.(And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.) How can the firstborn have older brothers?(Matthew 1:25; Luke 2:7)."

Where's the proof that Joseph didn't have sons before marrying Mary?

ROFL! They point to Matthew 1:25 and Luke 2:7 which clearly say "her firstborn"! What part of "her" was too hard to understand?

51. 7. ELLEN G. WHITE THE ONLY PROPHET GIVEN WINGS WHILE IN VISION.

>EGW — YES: "The Lord has given me a view of other worlds. Wings were given me, and an angel attended me from the city to a place that was bright and glorious." (Early Writings p.39).

Note that she didn't say that she was the only prophet to be given wings. What does that tell you when they lie like that? Hoping you wouldn't catch their lie? Did they think that you were too stupid to catch them?

Are agreeing here that EGW gave unbiblical information?
 
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Nope. And note that it was made long after Fannie Bolton died (June, 28 1926)--how convenient, eh?

Some of Steps to Christ had been written by Ellen White before Fannie Bolton had even been concieved, much less born!
You confused me with your reply.


>That Fannie Bolton wrote Steps to Christ.

You asked: Isn't there proof of this?

The answer is no; some of Steps to Christ was written by Ellen White before Fannie had even been conceived.



Where did you get the date, June 28, 1926?
I did a web search for Fannie Bolton and one source said that she died on June 28, 1926

Didn't Fannie work for EGW?
Yes. She transcribed Ellen White's handwriting mss.
 
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