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40 Questions - Answered

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. SabbathBlessings

    SabbathBlessings Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Interesting, because the quote you are replying to was only scriptures from the mouth of our Savior. I guess you need to work that out with Him. God bless
     
  2. Guojing

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    I think SDAs are similar to Red letter Christians, where they place a great emphasis on the words spoken by Jesus in the 4 Gospels, which are typically in red in some Bibles.

    I agree with you that Jesus emphasized keeping the Law to Israel when he preached the gospel of the kingdom, but you forgot to also mention Matthew 10:5 and Matthew 15:24, which Jesus himself stated that that gospel was not meant for gentiles.
     
  3. LoveGodsWord

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    It seems clear your understanding of God's Israel is in the flesh and not of the Spirit. We are in the new covenant now not the old but what does this mean and who do we believe and follow? That is the question.
     
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  4. Guojing

    Guojing Well-Known Member

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    the new covenant could not have begun until jesus shed his blood
     
  5. LoveGodsWord

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    Your response...
    No. It started with his perfect sinless life. There has to be a living lamb brought to the alter before the lamb can be slain for the sins of the world. True there is no forgiveness of sin until God's lamb has been slain. No one said that the new covenant did not start until after the death of Jesus so I am not sure what your point is here. What has this got to do with what you are quoting from though? - Nothing.
     
  6. Guojing

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    So my point was that until the cross at least, Jesus was preaching the old covenant of the law
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    I see, so in your view everything written in the four gospels does not apply to anyone in the new covenant? - Can you see how that sounds when it is written back to you? If you knew who God's Israel is according to the new covenant scriptures that Gods' Israel are no longer all those in the flesh but all those born in the Spirit according to the promise you would not have this problem.
     
  8. Guojing

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    think of the 4 gospels like Malachi and haggai. You can learn from those books without assuming everything is written to you or about you
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    Your mistaken here dear friend, and your view is in contradiction to the scriptures as it is written...

    "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" - 2 Timothy 3:16 and again "Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." - Matthew 4:4.

    Your trying to argue that only some new testament scripture is Gods' Word for Gods' people which is not biblical.

    Still none of this has anything to do with what you were responding to when I wrote earlier.... "It seems clear your understanding of God's Israel is in the flesh and not of the Spirit. We are in the new covenant now not the old but what does this mean and who do we believe and follow? That is the question."

    All of God's Word are for God's people who He calls Israel. Old covenant is Israel in the flesh born of the seed of Abraham while Gods Israel in the new covenant is all those born of the Spirit through faith in the promise *Romans 9:6-8; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29.

    This is what your not seeing.
     
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  10. Guojing

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    As we have already debated at length, we are not Israel in anyway, so the New Covenant could not be for us (Hebrews 8:8)

    But I know you disagree, so let's leave it as that.
     
  11. SabbathBlessings

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    Both the first and second covenants are made with Israel. If you are not part of God's Israel than you are not part of the inheritance and promises. God's Israel are those who follow God, one in Christ. Ephesians 2:11-22 ,Galatians 3:28 There is only one Gospel and one Truth. God does not tell only Israel how to morally live and everyone else can decide for themselves. We do not have a God of confusion! I know I want to be a Spiritual Israelite because that means I am part of God's people.
     
  12. SabbathBlessings

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    I am always amazed that people can read the bible and think the majority of it does not apply to them. Not sure if this is a lesson taught by misguided preachers or what. From cover to cover the Bible is full of important lessons for everyone. God bless.
     
  13. Guojing

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    You are in the Body of Christ, a new creation, a mystery that was revealed to the Apostle Paul (Galatians 1:12, Ephesians 3:9).

    In that Body we have all spiritual blessings in the heavenly places right now (Ephesians 1:3)

    Many people want to belong to Israel because Israel was promised many physical blessings IF they obey the Law, such as health and wealth.
     
  14. SabbathBlessings

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    Paul is part of the New Covenant. I want to be part of the New Covenant because that is where Christ is and I obey God not because of the blessing it brings, because He asked I love Him. That is what the New Covenant is about, a changed heart.

    Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
     
  15. Guojing

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    Do all SDAs somehow believed that Paul wrote Hebrews?
     
  16. SabbathBlessings

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    The author of Hebrews is not the point.
     
  17. Guojing

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    So how did you conclude that "Paul is part of the New Covenant"?
     
  18. SabbathBlessings

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    The old covenant ended and the new one began. The new one never ended and was written before Jesus came.
     
  19. Guojing

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    That didn't answer my question. Did Paul ever say he is saved by the New Covenant?

    On the contrary, he said Romans 11:27, which is a future event, as far as the New Covenant with Israel is about.
     
  20. SabbathBlessings

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    There are more than one covenant in the bible. God's covenant where He wrote His laws in our hearts never ended.
     
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