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3abn Continued (2)

Discussion in 'Traditional Adventists' started by DarylFawcett, Apr 13, 2007.

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  1. tomatoe

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    P we are well aware of what Greg just said on bsda and are trying to straighten it out. DANNY SHELTON IS NOT RESIGNING AND WILL CONTINUE HIS ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES AT 3ABN. DOUG WILL BE PRESIDENT/DIRECTOR OF THE MERGER BUT WILL NOT BE INVOLVED IN DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS!
    This is not hard to understand.
     
  2. PeacefulSDA

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    Who will be in charge of day-to-day operations?
     
  3. Rosie55

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    Peaceful, the same person who has always been running the day to day operations in the last 20 years!

    Danny Shelton
     
  4. franny

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    If I spread out a calendar, and threw a tomato into the sky; :scratch:

    What are the chances it would land smack dab in July? :idea:
     
  5. Pinkpanther007

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    Will Danny Shelton continue to be president of 3ABN?
    Will Danny Shelton be working under Doug Bachelor?
    Will "The Merger" be a parent corporation of sorts?
     
  6. Pinkpanther007

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    Does this mean that Danny is taking a demotion?
     
  7. Rosie55

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    This endeavor will not be a "unified but separate" situation. The two ministries will join together as one being jointly identified by both names as long as necessary, but eventually will likely be known as 3ABN. 3ABN has much greater world wide recognition and this makes the most sense.

    Organizational structure will undergo some tweaking with both Doug and Danny being intricately involved in the new ministry. The only other area of organizational change will be a melding of the two boards, the particulars to be decided in the future. There is no upheaval, but rather the formation of a stronger organization to deliver God's last day message to a wanting world - and even the devil himself will not succeed in stopping the spread of the message of salvation.

    The new entity is expected to gain the full support of the organized church and associations such as ASI indicating that there is widespread support of Doug, Danny, and both ministries.

    Gailon's speculation is merely that, or possibly wishful thinking. There is no connection between Linda changing legal representation as this has been on the table for some time and took on serious tones well before any change on Linda's part - no one is running scared contrary to what Gailon would have you believe.
     
  8. Pinkpanther007

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    That makes sense.
     
  9. PeacefulSDA

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    The original post made by Observer/Greg Matthews over on another forum this morning has been updated with some important information. (In Red Below)
    "Yesterday, April 18, Elder Doug Batchelor, of Amazing Facts, addressed the Board of the Sacramento Central SDA Church in regard to some changes in his duties. As I write this, Elder Batchelor is in flight to the HQ of 3-ABN, where in a special TV program, these changes will be announced. Then tomorrow, Elder Batchelor will fly back to Sacramento to preach Sabbath.

    These changes have been approved by the President of the General Conference, the President of the NAD, ASI, and the Executive Board of 3-ABN.

    Danny Shelton is resigning from his position as President of 3-ABN. I do not know, at this point what continued role Danny Shelton will have in the administration of 3-ABN. He is expected to announce today, that he wants to have more free time to devote to however he wants to spend his time.

    Elder Doug Batchelor will become President of 3-ABN.

    The two ministries are expected to continue but under the united leadership of Elder Batchelor.

    Addition to my post:

    I just got off of the telephone from talking to Molly at 3-ABN.

    She confirms the basic story that I have posted.

    In regard to my question as to whether or not Danny Shelton will step down as President, she tells me that Danny has informed the Board that he wants to step down. As she understands it, a final decision has not been made as to whether or not Danny would step down.

    Without revealing my source, I suspect that Danny Shelton and Dough Batchelor have reached an agreement on this, which Molly may not be aware of, and that my announcement that he was resigning as President is correct."

    It will be interesting to see what is actually said on 3abn Today Live this evening!
     
  10. DarylFawcett

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    I received this updated email:

    -----beginning of email-----

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: G. Arthur Joy
    To:
    Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:16 PM
    Subject: Danny to resign Presidency of 3ABN

    Less than 24 hours upon arriving at Amazing Facts in Sacramento, sources from several entities have now confirmed that Danny Lee Shelton will be resigning as President of Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc of Thompsonville, Illinois. Danny and Amazing Facts president and Director / Speaker,
    Doug Batchelor, are flying from California to the Studios of 3ABN to do a special Live show to announce the changes on 3ABN Live tonight beginning at 8:00pm CDT. Sources have made clear that 3ABN will stay intact and Doug Batchelor will be assuming the Presidency of Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc. Doug will be flown back to California tomorrow and will retain the Presidency of Amazing Facts, Inc.

    This arrangement, the terms and conditions remain unknown, has the blessings of the General Conference Executive Board, The North American Division, The Northern California Conference, the ASI Board,
    the Boards of Amazing Facts and Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.

    There is no comment from sources regarding what, if any role, Danny Lee Shelton will continue to play at 3ABN, but several sources have expressed concern that Danny may still be ex officio CEO, but hiding behind the apron strings of Doug Batchelor. Sources at 3ABN have not confirmed what role Danny will be playing following the resignation. Nor has Amazing Facts sources indicated just how extensive, if any role, they will play in the day to day management of 3ABN. These are all significant questions that have a bearing on the Division of Assetts case between Linda Sue Shelton, former wife, co-founder, Vice president and production manager of 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton, who faces alleagtions of having engineered the demise and public embarrassment of Linda Shelton during her extrication and botched dismissal in 2004.

    The world now awaits the official statement of Doug and Danny this evening with particular interest regarding just how open and transparent 3ABN will be under a Batchelor Administration. It is worthy to note that Amazing Facts has been cited for a lack of disclosure in the past by monitors of 501-c-3 Non Profits and Amazing Facts is exempt from filing 990's because they are a religious organization.
    However, Amazing Facts is audited regularly by the General Conference Auditing Department.

    A lack of transparency at 3ABN is not likely to be tolerated by the stockholders in the pews who still await answers regarding many unanswered financial questions from the Shelton Administration. There will be particular attention to just how a new administration will relate to mending the broken people who have been alleged victims of 3ABN under the Shelton Administration.

    The live can be viewed on 3ABN starting at 8:00pm CDT or at 3ABN.com online.

    Gailon Arthur Joy
    AUReporter
    Save3ABN.com

    -----end of email-----
     
  11. DarylFawcett

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    As a result of the two emails I posted here and elsewhere, and with all the posts in relation to this at both Maritime SDA OnLine and Black SDA OnLine, we will need to wait and see what unfolds at the live 3ABN program this evening at 10:00 p.m. ADT (please adjust this for your own respective time zones).

    Until then, what we have posted, including the two emails I posted obviously contain some details that may be more in the realm of speculation than fact, however, I would say there are factual things in those emails. Just what is, more than what isn't, will, hopefully, be made known later this evening.
     
  12. steffanphilip

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    What is an "AUReporter" and why would Gailon put this in ?

    Now onward to point out the subtle misinformation and insinuations.

    Linda "firing" someone? But this was reported as an attorney withdrawing from the case. If he was fired, why was he fired? "Aggressive" - in what way can you document this aggressiveness? Surely we can't just take your word for it, now, can we?

    But if they were leaking quietly, you would not surely take hearsay? You would demand documentation for this, surely?
    Note the bolded part above? Trying to mislead and try to present as fact something that you cannot even confirm.

    Something seems strange in this entire posting. Usually Gailon/Pickle/anti-3ABN gang write their words as fact. But this entire posting seems to be filled with words that hedge their bets...

    Looks like your "very aggressive" counsel is aggressively telling you to use words that save you from being sued for libel?

    See what I mean?

    Again...

    I'm a little confused here. When exactly did you poll "most Adventists" and where is this documented? "Most adventists" would have to mean more than half of the total world-wide membership and did you document this poll? At last count, that would mean that oh, about, 7 MILLION Adventists told you in some form that there has never been a Biblical basis...

    Umm..you are a "reporter" just like Gailon is a "pastor" I presume?

    Any publications or other sources I can use to verify this self-appointed post?

    I'm sorry, but last time I checked, contributing to the Salvation Army does NOT make me a stockholder of any sort. The same stunt you tried to pull before.

    Then I suggest you have spoken to people who did not truly know about the negotiations. The people participating in the negotiations anticipated and clearly knew this outcome. Your sources are outdated/unreliable/tainted.

    Trying to link the two together? The same old tired tactic.

    Tsk, tsk. Can't say it plainly anymore, can you? Need to cover your, ah, posterior just in case you are sued?
    Now I will say it once again, Gailon. You cannot declare royalties you have NOT made. Which part of this simple statement seems unclear to you? And to you, Daryl, since you posted it for him?


    For the record, will you also state that Linda Shelton was still Vice-President of 3ABN at the time of this case? Will you, in the interest of truth, also point out that the judge noted discrepancies in Linda's testimony in order to determine the tax exempt status of 3ABN?

    I have to ask, what is the relevance here? Yes, of course! Insinuate now that something must be wrong with Amazing Facts!


    Insiders? Have made it clear? To you? The website states this as fact. Why would you use "allegation" here? Why would insiders have to "make it clear" to you when it is on the website for the whole world to see?

    But your website save3abn (at the bottom it says "NOT") already presents these victims - as real victims - with emails from "victims" and a mother, too? Surely you would point out on your website that these are "alleged" victims, right? Quick! Scoot over there and change it!
     
  13. steffanphilip

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    Ok, I'm going to answer this one...

    Let's say Danny is taking a demotion. That pretty much puts to rest every slander/slime uttered in bsda (sda they are not!) - let me quote some ugliness from memory - "Danny calls himself a god" "Danny believes people should bow down and worship him" "Linda refused to worship Danny and so she was fired"

    Now how does that work with a demotion? Your "side" has always said that Danny was an egomaniac, unwilling to relinquish power, thought of himself as a god, and other nonsense.

    Now all of a sudden he has demoted himself. How does that work with your allegations?

    At this late stage, given what you have posted so far, it's hard to believe that you are even looking for truth. I have been told by my friends that allegations regarding Doug are beginning to surface...at that s(p)ite.
     
  14. Pinkpanther007

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    Actually, it would imply that he got cornered and his hand was forced.
     
  15. steffanphilip

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    You know, Gailon, as a reporter you are kind-of, useless. Do you really need "several sources" to express concern? Let me give you a little journalistic help here - "several sources, employed in positions of responsibility at 3ABN, AF and NAD, have expressed concern..." but I digress.
    Can you not even see how unintelligent that statement is? You can't hide behind apron strings - unless those strings are wiiiiiiide.

    You have to STOP calling youself a reporter. This is sheer nonsense. What are you reporting here? That you cannot get confirmation?

    Forgot to hedge some sentences here, Gailon. You need to clear every foot-in-mouth statement from your lawyer before you post. Of course, you think you have covered all bases by having Daryl post an "alleged" email from you...
    If you can't see it I will tell you - Danny's assets are NOT 3ABN's and vice-versa. 3ABN has its own board (let the allegations begin) and 3ABN assets will NOT be in question when Linda tries to "allegedly get more cash" from Danny - if you don't get it now, you never will.
    Would you, in the interest of being fair, also mention "The Quiet Hour" and others? Of course not, insinuate away...

    Which stockholders are you representing now, Gailon? Have all these "stockholders" contacted you and have you documented their "still awaiting answers" and as I pointed out earlier, this "stockholder" thing seems to be invented by you.

    Are you representing the Atlantic Union?
    And in the interest of truth, will you also please put in the following correction - save3ABN.com (not) ?
     
  16. steffanphilip

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    That spin could only come from you...
     
  17. DarylFawcett

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    The following was copied from the Amazing Facts website:

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    News Release: 4/18/2007 3ABN AND AMAZING FACTS TO UNITE MINISTRIES

    MEDIA RELEASE

    “If Christians were to act in concert, moving forward as one, under the direction of one Power, for the accomplishment of one purpose, they would move the world.”-- Testimonies, vol. 9, p. 221.

    West Frankfort, IL – April 19, 2007 – Three Angels Broadcasting Network (3ABN) and Amazing Facts Ministries today announced upcoming plans for uniting the two international Christian media ministries. Lauding the global platform for evangelism this union will create, the Boards of Directors of both ministries unanimously approved moving toward joining the ministries under a new board and constituency.

    Founded in 1984, 3ABN began broadcasting on November 23, 1986 and now transmits its signal to nine satellites that carry it to every inhabited continent with a potential viewing audience of hundreds of millions. In addition to its English-speaking television network, 3ABN operates 3ABN Books, 3ABN Radio and 3ABN Latino Television networks, along with a 3ABN television and radio production center in Nizhny Novgorod, Russia. The ministry has also announced plans to launch the 3ABN International Network before the year’s end. The second largest Christian network in North America (in numbers of owned and operated UHF stations), 3ABN also has full-power stations in Papua New Guinea, Uganda, and the Philippines.

    Beginning with a fifteen-minute radio broadcast in 1966, Amazing Facts has grown into a successful soul-winning dynamo. For over forty years Amazing Facts has provided strong evangelistic, ministry through an array of services that include evangelistic training through the Amazing Facts Center of Evangelism (AFCOE), a team of live itinerant evangelists, publishing, radio and television broadcasts, Bible school and a popular internet ministry.

    While there are still a number of organizational details to be worked out, with good council both ministries are confident these things can be accomplished rapidly. For the immediate future we anticipate most of the normal operations at both ministries will remain the same. Our goal will be to optimize greater evangelistic impact to the world, more efficient service to the body of Christ and better stewardship of resources through this dynamic partnership.

    In making the announcement, 3ABN’s Founder Danny Shelton stated, “We’re excited about uniting our ministries, which will accelerate our array of evangelistic services to reach the multitudes. The Spirit-filled speakers of Amazing Facts will share the undiluted truth of God’s Word on 3ABN’s global platform. The ministries will mobilize an army of Christians to conduct Bible studies in cities worldwide. Time is short—we need to maximize our efforts to reach lost souls.”

    Doug Batchelor, Amazing Facts President/Speaker, commented, “This uniting of ministries will expand our operations and forge an impressive team of Christian managers who bring their unique talents and reputation for visionary leadership to the new organization. Our union will surely lead to greater effectiveness and economy in spreading the gospel to the world. We’re really excited about this comprehensive opportunity to communicate the good news of Jesus Christ.”

    Danny Shelton comments, “Through God’s miraculous blessing He has allowed me to witness 23 years of the unfolding of the vision for 3ABN. I truly believe that this historic partnership with Amazing Facts is a continuation of the vision and can only say with calm assurance, God is leading.”

    Doug Batchelor states, “In 1844 Samuel Morse sent the first electronic message. Quoting from Numbers 23:23 ‘What hath God wrought!’ Media has now become for the proclamation of the Gospel what the printing press was 500 years ago. The union of these two dynamic ministries represents a miraculous milestone and opportunity to fulfill the great commission. It's hard to describe the staggering potential! I simply stand in awesome wonder declaring. ‘What hath God wrought!’ As 3ABN and Amazing Facts join hands and hearts, wonderful things can happen to expand Jesus’ Kingdom.”
    “The secret of our success in the work of God will be found in the harmonious working of our people. There must be concentrated action. Every member of the body of Christ must act his part in the cause of God, according to the ability that God has given him. We must press together against obstructions and difficulties, shoulder to shoulder, heart to heart.--Review and Herald, Dec. 2, 1890.”

    “’Press together; press together,’ are the words of our divine Instructor. Unity is strength; disunion is weakness and defeat.” {CH 517.3}

    “Again and again the angel has said to me, ‘Press together, press together, be of one mind, of one judgment,’ Christ is the leader, and you are brethren; follow Him.--Letter 4, 1890.” {Ev 102.1}

    For More Information, Contact:
    Amazing Facts
    Office: 916.434.3880, ext. 3009
    [email protected]

    Watch Doug Batchelor on an extraordinary 3ABN Today LIVE tonight at 8 p.m. (CT). He'll join host Danny Shelton with a major announcement that will change the face of global evangelism.

    -----end of quote-----

    Here is the link to the above news item:
    http://www.amazingfacts.org/news/read_news.asp?ID=138
     
  18. Adventist Heretic

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    does this mean danny is stepping in the back ground
     
  19. DarylFawcett

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    It means there will be changes.Exactly what those changes will be remain to be seen.
     
  20. Adventist Heretic

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    do you think this is danny's way of protecting himself. or is it really of the Lord as they are saying. or maybe it is the Lords way of protecting the 3Abn and danny may disappear for a while.
     
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