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3abn Continued (2)

Discussion in 'Traditional Adventists' started by DarylFawcett, Apr 13, 2007.

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  1. Princessdi

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    Now, now, tomatoe, I think to be fair there were flames coming from both "sides", and they are not allowed there either.

    However, you are right in that this is a particularly volatile subject and we all should be mindful of our responses.

     
  2. tomatoe

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    Oh please...that's the best laugh I've had all day. Thanks for lightening the day, PD
     
  3. PeacefulSDA

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    tomatoe,
    Please consider this question carefully: Are you certain you are bearing a true witness with the above statement highlighted in red?
     
  4. tomatoe

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    Yes, quite sure. You see before there were several who arrived at bsda to defend the allegations against 3abn, there was constant flaming statements from your little group. Not flaming each other but flaming those at 3abn. Honestly that really wasn't my point anyway. The laugh came when Princess Di said that flaming wasn't allowed over there. That was a good one.
     
  5. Rosie55

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    Princess Di, the greatest "flaming" came from your side of the issue. If you would like, I'd be happy to send you copies of many of them to help remind you. All they ever did was tear apart anything we tried to say and make it look the worst ever. Even one over there called someone a dog, remember that?

    Flaming went on all the time over there because the moderators didn't do their job very well.
     
  6. PeacefulSDA

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    And I still hope that you will.
     
  9. Pinkpanther007

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    Does this new day dawn as an amazing fact for 3ABN?
     
  10. truthmagnet

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    well i guess it is just an enigma that people can see the same thing in exactly the opposite way. i personally find this forum much more hostile and flaming than the other one mentioned.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tomatoe
    As far as the other rubbish you are trying to bring here, good luck to those who will have to prove it. Danny knows it isn't true, Linda knows it isn't true but obviously is willing to do or say anything to get her revenge. Anyone who testifies to such, including her, is a liar and will be proven as such.

    How about this for Rubbish? starting gossip, hearsay, defamation of character, presuming guilt without evidence? does any of that apply in your words here mr. tomatoe? How could you possibly know what Linda wants or is "willing to do" for whatever reason. How would you know that?
    according to you, one side is ALL wrong and one side is ALL right. am i understanding this correctly?
    reminds me of the blame game, wasn't that a 60's song? blame, blame, no name, banana fanna don't flame....anyway, i digress No reply needed. It's self-explanatory.
    Also.......

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    .....Until then, with nothing proven whatsoever about anyone other than Duane....
    but yet your side keeps attacking his validity. makes no sense.

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    Our conversations have ceased.

    Thankyou Duane, I'm sure a lot of folks here will appreciate that.

    God Bless
    Jim Larmore

    i'm glad DC finally realised what is worth his energy and what is not. God bless him.

    To Franny,
    smart - funny - & - knowledgable!
     
  11. DarylFawcett

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    I received the following notice by email at 3:34 a.m. ADT:

    -----beginning of email-----

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: G. Arthur Joy
    To:
    Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:45 AM
    Subject: Amazing Facts to acquire 3ABN???

    Just one week following Linda Shelton firing of Atty Brian Drew and retaining new and very aggressive Counsel to represent her interests relating to the division of marital assets, Danny Lee Shelton boarded the Cessna Citation III twin jet and headed west arriving at McClellan Airfield in Central Sacramento, California at noontime; In time to join Doug Batchelor and the officers and directors of Amazing Facts for lunch. The North American Division Spanish Coordinator who serves as Chairman of the Board of Amazing Facts, is is reportedly directing final negotiations in Sacramento, California.

    Following the meeting, Staffers, past and present, from Amazing Facts began to leak quietly that 3ABN had been taken over by Amazing Facts. The terms and conditions have not been disclosed and everyone is waiting with baited breathe for the 3ABN Live for Thursday, April 19, 2007. It is anticipated that there will be a major announcement at that time, perhaps confirming the takeover by Amazing Facts of the reportedly severely wounded media giant.

    The co-founders of 3ABN, Danny Lee Shelton, President, and Linda Sue Shelton, Vice President and Secretary, worked together for nearly twenty years, the entire time of their marriage together, to build 3ABN from a dream into a world-wide televangelist supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Many have argued that it was, in fact, the media face of the Seventh-day Adventist Church for many years. Suddenly, in 2004, Danny Lee Shelton allegedly lead a three month campaign, privately and publicly, to eliminate Linda Sue Shelton from her role as Vice President and as Director of Production at 3ABN. She was fired in May of 2004, the record seems to reveal as many as three different times in one of the worst bunglings in SDA employment history. In June of the same year, just two weeks after the third firing, Danny Lee Shelton filed divorce papers in Guam to end the marriage to the Vice President he clearly wanted to get rid of. His public relationship with Brandy began shortly after the divorce when Brandy took up residence on the campus as early as July, 2004 and became permanently employed in October, 2004.

    Rumors from various sources claim that 3ABN has been running an operating deficit of nearly $3.0 Million during the first quarter of 2007. This large hole developed following disclosure of certain unacceptable practices, certain staffing concerns and the alleged mis-management of 3ABN under Danny Lee Sheltons administration following the elimination of Linda Shelton in May of 2004. Some claim the downward spiral began in earnest with the remarriage of Danny Lee Shelton to his third wife, 20 years younger, in March of 2006. Since most Seventh-day Adventists believe there has never been a biblical basis for the Danny Lee Shelton divorce from Linda Shelton in June of 2004, the remarriage to Brandy is viewed by most contributors as adultery under the biblical standard. Contributions have been rumored to have substantially declined since December of 2006 as disclosures by both sides became public debate on forums and e-mail campaigns.

    Linda Shelton also recently demanded that 3ABN produce and make available for authentication the evidence that was purportedly the basis for her being caste aside in 2004 and lead to Danny Lee Shelton divorcing her and remarrying Brandy. Linda has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing, however, officers and directors of 3ABN have utilized the bully pulpit of 3ABN to regularly assert that Linda had conducted an inappropriate telephone relationship with a Dr in Norway that was treating her son from a prior marriage, Nathan Moore. They have further variously claimed that she had committed what was variously defined as a spiritual adultery against Danny Lee Shelton. This reporter reviewed and tested many of the allegations leveled by Danny Lee Shelton in a myriad of e-mails and came to the conclusion after a review of various statements that the alleged evidence is unlikely to constitute any provable case against Linda Shelton. This reporter actively participated in an effort to get an ASI panel to hear the case and review the evidence. When the panel failed, a website was constructed to make the real evidence available for contributors referred to as the stockholders in the pews to look for themselves and self-determine where they felt the evidence really pointed. Much of this is documented at http://www.Save3ABN.com.

    Danny and the Chairman of the Board have repeatedly warned of pending litigation against those responsible for having exposed various issues relating to violations of SDA Standards as well as alleged financial Exigency issues, including non-disclosure of certain conflicts within the records of 3ABN and some of its officers. Danny and the Chairman are reported to have flown to Minnesota on March 15, 2007 and there was an assumption that litigation would be forthcoming shortly after that visit since this reporter and AToday received warning letters from counsel in Minnesota, closely aligned over the years with Garwin McNeilus, a Danny supporter and the alleged contractor with a detective agency that spent time spying on Linda Sue Shelton in 2004. Danny is alleged to have claimed that Mr McNeilus is even paying for Danny's attorney.

    While rumors of negotiations and that Doug Batchelor was actively wanting a media platform to expand the Amazing Facts, Inc Ministry have been active for the entire six months of our investigative reporting, the sudden breakthrough and conclusion was clearly unanticipated by anyone this reporter spoke to at this time.

    The sudden conclusion to negotiations came just days after Linda Shelton hired new counsel with clear instructions that he was to conduct vigorous litigation and discovery to determine just where the assets from the marriage were and what belonged to whom. Several recent allegations have arisen regarding a host of financial non-disclosures by respondent, Danny Lee Shelton, suggesting that he had actively undertaken steps to hide or deliberately mis-state income, assets and royalties arising from 3ABN business activities, including sales of books, records, cd’s and dvd’s and other assets. It is alleged that in several cases Danny Lee Shelton would author or co-author books, a publisher would produce several hundred thousand at a time and these would actually be sold to 3ABN and inventoried, purportedly netting instant royalties to Danny Lee Shelton. An inspection of the 990’s filed with the Internal Revenue Service appears to have faile d to disclose any such arrangements, despite the fact it is a clear conflict to have an officer or employee have such a business arrangement without disclosure under IRS Rules for Non-profit entities. In fact, 3ABN employees are required to sign a conflict of interest statement annually.

    Did the officers and directors not feel these rules applied to Danny Lee Shelton???

    According to legal sources, these allegations and others relating to real estate transactions and allegedly secret arrangement by the President to compensate certain family members and a fiance’ without the full knowledge of the 3ABN Board may have clearly jeopardized the 501-c-3 status of 3ABN, already the subject of a case under appeal in the State of Illinois where an administrative Law Judge clearly determined that most of the 3ABN campus would not be tax exempt from real estate taxes in Franklin County.

    At press time, we have not had a chance to get an official statement from Amazing Facts, Inc officers or Directors, and a number of contacts that this reporter had known within the Amazing Facts management team have recently left Amazing facts for various reasons.

    Amazing Facts, Inc is commonly considered to be an independent supporting ministry of the SDA Church but insiders have made it clear that Amazing Facts is in fact a ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. This allegation is supported by the following notice on the AmazingFact.org website which this reporter has posted below:

    {News Release: 4/17/2007 Employment Opportunities

    All applicants must be cleared or approved to work in the United States.

    Although Amazing Facts, Inc. is an equal opportunity employer that does not discriminate in its employment policies and practices on the basis of race, national origin, gender, color, age, marital status, disability, or any other basis prohibited by law, it is a religious association and a part of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The employment practices reflect religious preferences in harmony with the U.S. Constitution and controlling law, and it therefore hires only Seventh-day Adventist Church members in good standing.

    Employees of Amazing Facts are extended the same benefit package as NAD denominational employees. Employee transfers from other NAD denominational institutions are seamlessly accomplished.}

    It would appear that rather belatedly, Elder Folkenburgs desire to see 3ABN a part of the Seventh-day Adventist Church is about to become a reality. But how will the new management view the need to compensate the various alleged victims of the Shelton Administration?

    Stay Tuned!!!

    Gailon Arthur Joy

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    Save3ABN.com

    -----end of email-----
     
  12. Rosie55

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    Sorry Mr. Fawcell. Much of your information is incorrect. If you will watch 3abn live tonight you will find out the real story if you want to know the truth. This did not happen suddenly and AF is NOT taking over 3abn.

    As usual Mr. Joy has his facts skewed to make himself look good.
     
  13. tomatoe

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    Thank you Rosie, Yes as usual Mr. Joy puts into print totally incorrect information and DF runs to post that false information.
    Amazing Facts IS NOT TAKING OVER 3ABN. It is my understanding the ministries will MERGE to produce the most powerful media tool the SDA church has ever known. To reach the world with the love of Jesus Christ has always been the goal of both ministries. Doug Batchelors vision has always been evangelizing and 3abn has the media tools to make the most of it.
    If you want the correct Information watch 3abn's live tonight.
    Mr. Joy reports falsely, again, that DS started seeing Brandi right after the divorce. WRONG. Brandi did not even move to southern Illinois until late November of that year. He also states she was employed at 3abn by oct of that same year. That would be a majic trick since she lived in Florida until the move in late november.
    Over on bsda you even have observer and Johann questioning Mr. Joy's information! His own side!! People that ought to tell you something.
     
  14. PeacefulSDA

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    Rosie and tomatoe,
    You both seem to be certain the GAJ email is incorrect. Where did you obtain the rebuttal information? Is it personal knowledge or did you receive it from a reliable source?

    Doug appears to be a powerful worker for the Lord. I have always enjoyed his programs. I will be quite glued to my computer for tonight's Live program to hear what is presented.
     
  15. Rosie55

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    Peaceful, all you need to do is watch the program and you will see that tomatoe is correct. On BSDA some seem to think there is a hidden agenda. There isn't. What you will see tonight is the full UPFRONT story. Doug Batchelor isn't the type of man to have hidden agenda's. He is truthful, honest and up front!! He has always been this way. And he will be tonight.
     
  16. tomatoe

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    Yes, we have verifiable information. Danny Shelton will not be resigning and continue his administrative duties as usual. Doug Batchelor will be president/director of the merger but will not be involved in day to day operations.
     
  17. tomatoe

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    P, you might want to take this information over to BSDA since they are repeating over there that Danny is resigning.
     
  18. PeacefulSDA

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    Rosie, Greg Matthews did some checking to try to verify the information sent out in the GAJ email. This is what he learned and posted on another forum.

    "Yesterday, April 18, Elder Doug Batchelor, of Amazing Facts, addressed the Board of the Sacramento Central SDA Church in regard to some changes in his duties. As I write this, Elder Batchelor is in flight to the HQ of 3-ABN, where in a special TV program, these changes will be announced. Then tomorrow, Elder Batchelor will fly back to Sacramento to preach Sabbath.

    These changes have been approved by the President of the General Conference, the President of the NAD, ASI, and the Executive Board of 3-ABN.

    Danny Shelton is resigning from his position as President of 3-ABN. I do not know, at this point what continued role Danny Shelton will have in the administration of 3-ABN. He is expected to announce today, that he wants to have more free time to devote to however he wants to spend his time.

    Elder Doug Batchelor will become President of 3-ABN.

    The two ministries are expected to continue but under the united leadership of Elder Batchelor."
     
  19. tomatoe

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    As usual, it was falsely reported on bsda that Doug has tried to distance himself from 3abn until now....Doug has always been supportive of 3abn. His actions speak louder than words. He has appeared on DS's program consistently, has worked hand in hand with 3abn in all of his large campaigns and has been a speaker at 3abn campmeetings. Would he merge with 3abn if the allegations against 3abn were true? Of course not. He knows they aren't and have never been true and has proven it by wanting this merger.
     
  20. PeacefulSDA

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    tomatoe,
    I will do as you request and take your info over there. Of course I'll need to run it by the Boss first.

    P
     
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