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3abn Continued (2)

Discussion in 'Traditional Adventists' started by DarylFawcett, Apr 13, 2007.

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  1. tomatoe

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    I must say this really is amazing. I see on other forums that Inga is posting as if none of the facts have been explained while WB as always, tries to give the ones who are posting their ridiculous and negative thoughts, credibility. Such as in "yes, I believe you have nailed it." Oh people you are so obvious and so funny with your reactions. Since so many of you have invested so much time and energy into trying to destroy 3abn and DS, I suppose I should feel a little bit sorry for you that your dream will not be a reality. But, well, I don't.
     
  2. Pinkpanther007

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    No, God is not mocked. Regardless what beautiful designs you paint on the ossuary it is still a box of bones. You can throw an expensive rug over a pile of dirt but the dirt is still there until you clean it up. You can apply the name of God to anything you value, but God is not mocked. "Wicked men are wicked men still..."
     
  3. PeacefulSDA

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    steffan,

    I will not be offended by your tactics of attempting to characterize me as pretending to post in a Christian manner. It does speak, however, to the spirit you may be allowing to direct your responses.

    Now, you asked me to look at your posts and tell you where you said that Doug dismissed the allegations. I am pasting below your two latests posts from BSDA and my question to you the information you posted.

    On 4/20/2007 at 4:07PM PDT, steffan said:
    I am sorry, I had to post here after hearing all that is being said here. It is too funny not to.
    Doug and Danny had a meeting Thursday at 4pm central time with all of the 3abn employees. They were told that this merge would not change any of their positions, work schedules or anything else. Doug made a point to say that he intends to keep his church in Sacramento and still run amazing facts and WOULD NOT have any say in day to day 3abn operations just as Danny will have no say in day to day operations of AF. Except for a merger of the boards and Danny and Doug taking more time to evangelize, most everything will remain as is. Doug and Danny, AF & 3abn will remain 2000 miles apart and will continue business as usual with Danny over 3abn and Doug over AF.
    So, all this business of Doug cleaning house or that he doesn't realize what he has gotten himself into is absolutely a huge laugh. He had 20 or so highly respected people on his board advising him as well as Danny's board advising him. AF and 3ABN has worked together closely for years. That is the reason the AF people are not worried about allegations. They know they are false and shrug off the people behind it. To say that Danny was running scared as stated above is, again, crazy. If he was running scared he would have resigned, not expanded, and remained in charge of 3abn.
    Not hard people, get a grip. As much as you hate to face it, that is the truth of it. As much as you want to read stuff into it, you can't. It is all good.
    http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=13332&view=findpost&p=192236

    On 4/20/2007 at 7:31PM PDT, PeacefullyBewildered said:
    Steffan,
    I thought you lived in New York. Have you moved to the Thompsonville area so that you have first-hand knowledge of all that you have said below?
    AND
    Your statement that I have bolded above causes me some concerns. Do you have first hand knowledge from Doug Batchelor and his AF team that they are not worried about allegations and that they know they are false and shrug off the people behind it? Are these statements you have heard for yourself?

    PB
    http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=13332&view=findpost&p=192255


    On 4/20/2007 at 7:57PM PDT, steffan said:
    And Yes PB. I did get it firsthand that Doug could care less about the allegations on the internet. Just ask Gailon if Doug would take his call today.

    http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=13332&view=findpost&p=192262

     
  4. tomatoe

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    And so you are judge and jury now? You have cast your lot that Doug and Danny are wicked men and that makes it so? So anyone that throws in their lots with them are evil and stupid too. The GC, ASI, The boards of both ministries....They know nothing and you know it all? You will be judged on the basis you judge others. So far I have seen wonderful fruits from both ministries. From you, here and at BSDA I have seen nothing but evil surmisings and insinuations and accusations.
     
  5. PeacefulSDA

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    Please see your BSDA posts quoted in my post above to confirm where you spoke about Doug not believing the allegations and also where you discussed numerous points about the merger.
     
  6. tomatoe

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    P, maybe the problem here is that you focused on one allegation subject where Steffan was talking about internet allegations in general. Could that be the problem? Here is my opinion for what it is worth. The TS topic would be a moot point period where AF is concerned. He was never and hasn't been charged with anything, nothing about a cover up at 3abn has been proven and regardless he is no longer there. So, if AF had concerns they would be with the present allegations directly against 3abn from people who have none or very little credibility. I am sure that is what Steffan was referring to and if I have not been correct in my opinion, I am sure Steffan will correct me.
     
  7. Pinkpanther007

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    People and organizations don't have to be stupid or evil to be fooled as you have characterized it. I have not cast any lot that Doug is a wicked man. That is a false twist of your creation.

    I also have seen wonderful fruits from both ministries, as well as rotten fruit hanging in the shadows of 3ABN. I have seen lies and false insinuations intended to hurt and destroy people. I have seen 3ABN used as a tool to damage people. Now it appears that an attempt is being made to cover up the rot with the joinder of a truly credible organization. The rot is still there.
     
  8. tomatoe

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    No, I think when you and several others left you took the rot with you and left 3abn smelling like a rose. JMO of course.
     
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    since there seems to be a lot of cross posting going on right now i am going to follow suit . . .


    greg matthews started a new thread on bsda and a poster identified as peacefully bewildered (connections to peacefullysda here?) responded with the following:

    Gregory,

    Great questions!

    I read Doug Batchelor's response with great interest and was surprised by one of his statements. There are those who have said this merger has been in the works for quite some time and yet DB says:

    The miraculous, providential and rapid leading of God in this event has taken everyone by surprise.
    "… and all the people rejoiced that God had prepared the people, since the events took place so suddenly" (2 Chr 29:36).


    That took me by surprise. Once again, answers that have been given regarding this merger are not matching up with statements by those directly involved in the merger which just causes more confusion about the actual facts of this merger. Who are we to believe?

    it seems as if "peacefulB" is very skilled at manipulating words - robert's understudy? . . . she takes a sentence and turns it something that it is not . . . it is possible for something to be in the works for a very long time and to suddenly have all the pieces fall into place . . . that happens all the time with mergers . . . they (the detractors, those who would have these ministries disappear) are reaching the crumbs at the bottom of the box trying to turn all of this into an immediate negative . . . God hit 'em right between the eyes and they still don't get it . . . He is just going to let it play out and give them enough rope to hang themselves . . . they are blind, none has even broached the fact that the skyangel thing they had a heyday with is a moot point since 3abn/amazing facts are on an even more expansive system now - with the added benefit of the slingbox . . . God has insured that 3abn/amazing facts will reach even the remotest corners of the earth and it isn't gailon, robert, linda, or anyone at bsda - all of whom believe they are God's chosen agents . . no, he chose danny and doug and He gave them all they needed to make a massive final push before the end of this worlds history . . .

    it is obvious over and over again that robert has taken honest and sincere responses from many people and attempted to damage their lives and God's work by twisting and manipulating their words into what he needs to make his baseless accusations . . . on the other side, 3abn has avoided attacking (contrary to the detractors who can't give line or verse when this has occurred - only one accusation after another that it has happened . . . how about some transcripts, some proof!) . . . they have done their best to continue to complete God's mission here on earth - to bring the story of salvation to all so they can make their choice and God will be vindicated in the courts of all His creations . . . God has spoken to you doubters! He has shown you where His work is being done! He has made His will known . . . and still you attack, still you doubt, still you tear at His work . . . where are your hearts? . . . what side do you want to be on in that final day . . .

    just 2 cents from the bone dealer
     
  10. PeacefulSDA

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    Tomatoe,
    steffanphillip was clearly responding to my post about the allegations about pastoral abuse. He also responded to truthmagnet's post about internet gossip. I am including all three posts with links so investigation of the context of each is easy.
    I really would like to know what Doug's opinion is of TS's email confession, posted on save3abn.com, to Duane Clem. I know that, to this point, there have been no convictions for any of the alleged abuse, however, TS's email clearly states that Duane resisted every attempt. That does not sound like a consensual relationship and does sound just like pastoral abuse. What about Doug's opinion of the recent Adventist Today article that specified other claims of abuse by TS? Since steffanphillip knows Doug, (didn't you say you also know him?) perhaps he would know the answer and can post it for us.

     
  11. tomatoe

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    P, again did you skip all the part about those allegations being a moot point where AF is concerned? What was alleged, was alleged before the merger and the person that was accused has not been there for sometime. That has nothing to do with the here and now or AF.
     
  12. tomatoe

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    Thank you for clarifying on yet another issue. There are not conflicting reports. I said the ideas had been tossed around for several years, and they had. then, the timing the ideas and the coming together all seem to fall into place suddenly. Bone dealer explained it better than I.
     
  13. tomatoe

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    Again PB what would allegations of pastoral abuse 20 years ago in the church of God have to do with DB and AF? Absolutely nothing.
     
  14. christian73

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    This thread has been closed permanently due to multiple rule violations.
     
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