Did Dr dino admit evolution? A question to scientists...

[Arikay]

While looking through Dr Dino,s FAQ section, I came across this:
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=faq&specific=29

Its about how fresh water animals survived the flood (lets ignore the part where the flood should have killed all salt water animals )

In it he says:

Many animals have adapted to the slow increase in salinity over the last 4400 years. We now have fresh water crocodiles and salt water crocodiles that are different species but probably had a common ancestor. This is not evolution. It is only variation.

(ignore the bad science)

My question to scientists is are salt water Crocodiles and Fresh water crocodiles different species?

If they are, didnt he just say that macro evolution exists?

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Hovind accepts speciation. What he doesn't accept is evolution from one "kind" to another "kind". But he never bothers to define "kind" in a meaningful manner, nor explain why such a level of evolution would be impossible.

 

[Arikay]

But isnt speciation, the evolution of one species into another that cant successfully mate, eqivilant to macro evolution?

Since one species evolved into a different species that is different from the original and that god didnt actually make?

Today at 02:05 PM Pete Harcoff said this in Post #2 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708925#post708925)

Hovind accepts speciation. What he doesn't accept is evolution from one "kind" to another "kind". But he never bothers to define "kind" in a meaningful manner, nor explain why such a level of evolution would be impossible.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

Today at 05:28 PM Arikay said this in Post #3 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708992#post708992)

But isnt speciation, the evolution of one species into another that cant successfully mate, eqivilant to macro evolution?

Since one species evolved into a different species that is different from the original and that god didnt actually make?

In terms of biology, yes, speciation is macroevolution. However, Hovind redefines scientific terms at will, solely so he can strike down the parts he doesn't agree with.

 

[Arikay]

IC.

So, if salt water and fresh water crocs are actually different species (I would assume they are)

Based on science Hovind just admited evolution was true.

I do have to admit, some of his articles are funny.

 

[lucaspa]

Today at 05:03 PM Arikay said this in Post #1

My question to scientists is are salt water Crocodiles and Fresh water crocodiles different species?

If they are, didnt he just say that macro evolution exists?

Yep.  As you noted in a later post, species is all there are in nature. They are the only biological reality. Other groupings -- higher taxa -- are simply groups of species. So once you admit speciation, you are done.  You are an evolutionist.

The dodge into "kinds" really isn't talking creationism anymore, but is trying to find a "gap" to insert God into for the atheism vs theism debate.

 

[webboffin]

don't get yourselves so worked up about it

 

[Cantuar]

Well, "kinds" are only species when it's convenient. Otherwise they're genera or families or whatever it takes to redefine established transitions as microevolution. You have to start with the premise that macroevolution between "kinds" doesn't occur and then sort of work back to how that affects the definition of "kinds."

Bit like Humpty Dumpty really.

 

[Arikay]

The fun thing though, is that he doesnt say kinds in the quote, he specifically says Species.

 

[kaotic]

Today at 12:26 AM Arikay said this in Post #9 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=709796#post709796)

The fun thing though, is that he doesnt say kinds in the quote, he specifically says Species.

LOL

 

[Just]

He admits that in 4400 years one species has become two.

Imagine what would happen in 2-3 billion years.

 

[Tinman]

It sounds to me that Dr Dino advocates some form of 'Super-Evolution', well beyond what biologists advocate with TOE.

 

[lucaspa]

Today at 12:26 AM Arikay said this in Post #9

The fun thing though, is that he doesnt say kinds in the quote, he specifically says Species.

Yes. Good point. Apparently he forgot that Darwin's book was entitled On the Origin of the Species. So Hovind has just admitted that Darwin was right -- new speces arise from old.

Weboffin, as I said, this shows that Hovind really isn't discussing creationism vs evolution -- because he just admitted evolution -- but rather atheism vs theism. With evolution mistakenly cast as atheism and creationism mistakenly cast as theism.