3 places satan is cast into.

[DavidPT]

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

1----cast out into the earth

2----cast him into the bottomless pit

3----was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone

Number 3 above is obviously yet to happen. As far as this thread then, number 3 is unimportant since no one would dispute that he is yet to be cast into the lake of fire.


The focus of this thread will then mainly be on 1 and 2 above.

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Some conclude he was cast out 2000 years ago, as of the cross, or at least as of Christ's ascension back into heaven. Others conclude him getting cast out is yet to occur. Regardless which view might be right, all should agree that once he is cast into the earth, he then begins fulfilling Revelation 12:13-17 at that time.


If we next examine 2 above, we learn some of the following.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

This says---And I saw an angel come down from heaven---And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up

Let's think this through for a minute. What should this be telling us? The fact an angel comes down from heaven in order to bind satan, this tells us satan is obviously not in heaven anymore accusing the brethren before God, but is literally physically on the earth. That has to mean that he gets bound while he is on the earth, and that his binding takes place after he has been cast into the earth according to Revelation 12.

Amils will tell us he was bound a thousand years as of the cross, or at least sometime close after that event. Many, or maybe even all Amils, will also tell us satan was cast to the earth during this same time, as of the cross, or at least sometime close after that event. If that is supposed to be correct, the obvious conclusion would be, satan getting cast into the earth is really meaning satan getting cast into the bottomless pit. Yet, if one looks at all the things satan does once he is cast into the earth, and then assuming this occurred 2000 years ago, how can anyone then read Revelation 12:13-17 and the things he does once he is cast into the earth, and then conclude a bound satan in the pit can be doing all of these things? Instead, Revelation 12:13-17 clearly depicts an unbound satan, and not a bound satan in the pit.

Revelation 12:17 says this---And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed

Revelation 13:7 says this---And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them

Revelation 13:14 says this----And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast


Revelation 20:3 says this---that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled

Obviously those being deceived per Revelation 13:14 are meaning nations, or at least have something to do with nations. This tells us that Revelation 13:14 can't take place while satan is bound in the pit.

Revelation 20:4 says this---and I saw the souls of them----and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This verse places the time of Revelation 13:14 prior to satan's release following the finishing of the thousand years. This obviously means that the beginning of the thousand years can't occur until the 42 month reign of the beast has first ran it's course, which
Revelation 13:14 is clearly connected with.


Amils of course are going to disagree with most of the OP, yet I'm betting none of them actually debunk what I submitted here in the OP. To debunk it requires them going through all of my arguments and showing how each is incorrect, and then providing the correct conclusions instead. Unless any of them can do that, they haven't debunked anything. Only in their minds if they think they have.

 

[mathinspiration]

I want to know how he keeps getting out.

 

[DavidPT]

I want to know how he keeps getting out.

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What we need to be asking instead, how does he keep getting in, the fact he hasn't even been bound in the pit as of yet?

 

[BABerean2]

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

1----cast out into the earth

2----cast him into the bottomless pit

3----was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone

Number 3 above is obviously yet to happen. As far as this thread then, number 3 is unimportant since no one would dispute that he is yet to be cast into the lake of fire.


The focus of this thread will then mainly be on 1 and 2 above.

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Some conclude he was cast out 2000 years ago, as of the cross, or at least as of Christ's ascension back into heaven. Others conclude him getting cast out is yet to occur. Regardless which view might be right, all should agree that once he is cast into the earth, he then begins fulfilling Revelation 12:13-17 at that time.


If we next examine 2 above, we learn some of the following.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

This says---And I saw an angel come down from heaven---And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up

Let's think this through for a minute. What should this be telling us? The fact an angel comes down from heaven in order to bind satan, this tells us satan is obviously not in heaven anymore accusing the brethren before God, but is literally physically on the earth. That has to mean that he gets bound while he is on the earth, and that his binding takes place after he has been cast into the earth according to Revelation 12.

Amils will tell us he was bound a thousand years as of the cross, or at least sometime close after that event. Many, or maybe even all Amils, will also tell us satan was cast to the earth during this same time, as of the cross, or at least sometime close after that event. If that is supposed to be correct, the obvious conclusion would be, satan getting cast into the earth is really meaning satan getting cast into the bottomless pit. Yet, if one looks at all the things satan does once he is cast into the earth, and then assuming this occurred 2000 years ago, how can anyone then read Revelation 12:13-17 and the things he does once he is cast into the earth, and then conclude a bound satan in the pit can be doing all of these things? Instead, Revelation 12:13-17 clearly depicts an unbound satan, and not a bound satan in the pit.

Revelation 12:17 says this---And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed

Revelation 13:7 says this---And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them

Revelation 13:14 says this----And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast


Revelation 20:3 says this---that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled

Obviously those being deceived per Revelation 13:14 are meaning nations, or at least have something to do with nations. This tells us that Revelation 13:14 can't take place while satan is bound in the pit.

Revelation 20:4 says this---and I saw the souls of them----and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.



This verse places the time of Revelation 13:14 prior to satan's release following the finishing of the thousand years. This obviously means that the beginning of the thousand years can't occur until the 42 month reign of the beast has first ran it's course, which
Revelation 13:14 is clearly connected with.


Amils of course are going to disagree with most of the OP, yet I'm betting none of them actually debunk what I submitted here in the OP. To debunk it requires them going through all of my arguments and showing how each is incorrect, and then providing the correct conclusions instead. Unless any of them can do that, they haven't debunked anything. Only in their minds if they think they have.

You are ignoring the two verses found below, which were written in the past tense during the first century.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Even though the earth's iron core is at the center of the earth, it still has a measurable influence on every compass at the surface of the planet.

A person does not need to have a demon inside of them in order for evil to destroy their lives.
If you want to see the influence of Satan, turn on your television.


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[seventysevens]

You are ignoring the two verses found below, which were written in the past tense during the first century.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Even though the earth's iron core is at the center of the earth, it still has a measurable influence on every compass at the surface of the planet.

A person does not need to have a demon inside of them in order for evil to destroy their lives.
If you want to see the influence of Satan, turn on your television.
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2Pe_2
10 ....Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings;
11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord.
12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.


Not every verse that speaks of angels refers to all of them especially satan - context is of importance - obviously no one can be at two places at the same time - satan is :

1 Pe_5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

if satan was locked up now he would not be "as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" thus he would not b able to deceive anyone now today - but we do know he is not imprisoned now and is deceiving people everyday

 

[DavidPT]

2Pe_2
10 ....Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings;
11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord.
12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.


Not every verse that speaks of angels refers to all of them especially satan - context is of importance - obviously no one can be at two places at the same time - satan is :

1 Pe_5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

if satan was locked up now he would not be "as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" thus he would not b able to deceive anyone now today - but we do know he is not imprisoned now and is deceiving people everyday

Your post brings up another point I have been meaning to bring up. Obviously satan is not omnipresent. Obviously satan can only be in one place at a time. Amils apparently disagree though, because like your post here shows, Amils via their doctrines has satan bound in the pit and walking freely about at the same time. The only way he can logically do that is if he can be in different places at the same time. Obviously he can't, he being a created being and all, and that only God, an uncreated being, can be in different places at the same time.

 

[DavidPT]

You are ignoring the two verses found below, which were written in the past tense during the first century.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Even though the earth's iron core is at the center of the earth, it still has a measurable influence on every compass at the surface of the planet.

A person does not need to have a demon inside of them in order for evil to destroy their lives.
If you want to see the influence of Satan, turn on your television.


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Where does it mention satan in those passages you submitted? Plus, those passages you submitted, when did this initially occur? A time before the cross? Or a time since the cross? This matters because Amil claims satan is bound in the pit as of the cross, or thereabouts, but not a time prior to the cross though.

You said I'm ignoring all of that. If anyone is ignoring anything it would be you since you're ignoring the OP altogether by not showing how my arguments are incorrect, thus you providing the correct conclusions instead. When and if you ever get around to doing that, maybe then we might finally be getting somewhere. If the OP is incorrect, I want someone to debunk it. I would rather be right, regardless, than to think I'm right when I'm not. But until someone takes on the OP and my arguments presented there, I basically see everything else as an avoidance of that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, anthatan, which deceiveth the whole world: hehardware at out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

1----cast out into the earth

2----cast him into the bottomless pit

3----was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone

Number 3 above is obviously yet to happen. As far as this thread then, number 3 is unimportant since no one would dispute that he is yet to be cast into the lake of fire.


The focus of this thread will then mainly be on 1 and 2 above.

Revelation 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Some conclude he was cast out 2000 years ago, as of the cross, or at least as of Christ's ascension back into heaven. Others conclude him getting cast out is yet to occur. Regardless which view might be right, all should agree that once he is cast into the earth, he then begins fulfilling Revelation 12:13-17 at that time.


If we next examine 2 above, we learn some of the following.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

This says---And I saw an angel come down from heaven---And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up

Let's think this through for a minute. What should this be telling us? The fact an angel comes down from heaven in order to bind satan, this tells us satan is obviously not in heaven anymore accusing the brethren before God, but is literally physically on the earth. That has to mean that he gets bound while he is on the earth, and that his binding takes place after he has been cast into the earth according to Revelation 12.

Amils will tell us he was bound a thousand years as of the cross, or at least sometime close after that event. Many, or maybe even all Amils, will also tell us satan was cast to the earth during this same time, as of the cross, or at least sometime close after that event. If that is supposed to be correct, the obvious conclusion would be, satan getting cast into the earth is really meaning satan getting cast into the bottomless pit. Yet, if one looks at all the things satan does once he is cast into the earth, and then assuming this occurred 2000 years ago, how can anyone then read Revelation 12:13-17 and the things he does once he is cast into the earth, and then conclude a bound satan in the pit can be doing all of these things? Instead, Revelation 12:13-17 clearly depicts an unbound satan, and not a bound satan in the pit.

Revelation 12:17 says this---And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed

Revelation 13:7 says this---And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them

Revelation 13:14 says this----And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast


Revelation 20:3 says this---that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled

Obviously those being deceived per Revelation 13:14 are meaning nations, or at least have something to do with nations. This tells us that Revelation 13:14 can't take place while satan is bound in the pit.

Revelation 20:4 says this---and I saw the souls of them----and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This verse places the time of Revelation 13:14 prior to satan's release following the finishing of the thousand years. This obviously means that the beginning of the thousand years can't occur until the 42 month reign of the beast has first ran it's course, which
Revelation 13:14 is clearly connected with.


Amils of course are going to disagree with most of the OP, yet I'm betting none of them actually debunk what I submitted here in the OP. To debunk it requires them going through all of my arguments and showing how each is incorrect, and then providing the correct conclusions instead. Unless any of them can do that, they haven't debunked anything. Only in their minds if they think they have.

Revelation 20:1-9

Satan is bound from "One Specific Purpose"

That is "Deceiving The Nations To The Final Battle" Simple

You go into elaborate detail as if the angel went to Ace Hardware and bought literal chains and locks?

The Seal Upon Satan Is?

"One Specific Purpose"

"Deceiving The Nations To The Final Battle"

This deception is seen in Revelation 16:12-17, Revelation 20:7-9 "Simple"

Devils will go forth from satan/beast/false prophet, to gather the nations to the final battle of Armageddon.

Can this deception be performed presently, "No"!

Satan is Sealed and Bound from this, Simple

The seal will be lifted towards the end of the future 42 month tribulation, the nations will be gathered, Jesus returns in fire judgment, "Eternity Begins" in the twinkling of an eye

 

[BABerean2]

Where does it mention satan in those passages you submitted?

I think most of us know that Satan was an angel and he did sin against God.

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[ewq1938]

The seal will be lifted towards the end of the future 42 month tribulation, the nations will be gathered, Jesus returns in fire judgment, "Eternity Begins" in the twinkling of an eye

No, that's the timeframe Satan will be imprisoned, chained and sealed. Until then, Satan is the ruler of this current world according to Christ himself.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Joh 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

 

[ewq1938]

You are ignoring the two verses found below, which were written in the past tense during the first century.

2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.




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That's obviously talking about the Gen 6 angels which is why past tense is used. That has nothing to do with the future casting of Satan into a pit.

 

[DavidPT]

I think most of us know that Satan was an angel and he did sin against God.

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Like EWQ already pointed out, those passages you provided are meaning the angels connected with Genesis 6. It seems silly that if satan too has been in the pit since the days of Noah's flood, that he would get re-bound into this same pit as of the cross. In order to get once again placed in the pit, that requires that he was let out of the pit at some point. So where are the Scriptures showing satan was released from the pit prior to the cross so that he could then be re-bound into this same pit? Sounds pretty farfetched, doesn't it? Probably because it really is.

 

[BABerean2]

That's obviously talking about the Gen 6 angels which is why past tense is used. That has nothing to do with the future casting of Satan into a pit.

Are you going to show us the scripture that proves it is talking about Genesis 6, or are you claiming this to make your doctrine work?

Do you think the wicked angels are not on earth, but are now in heaven in the presence of God and Christ and the souls of our dead Brothers and Sisters?

Where in the Book of Revelation are they now described as being in the presence of God, and the Son?

Are they described anywhere when John is told "Come and see.", found in the presence of God?

Why did John not say anything about seeing the wicked angels around the throne of God?

When do you think Satan "fell"?

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.



Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.


Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

 

[seventysevens]

Are you going to show us the scripture that proves it is talking about Genesis 6, or are you claiming this to make your doctrine work?

Do you think the wicked angels are not on earth, but are now in heaven in the presence of God and Christ and the souls of our dead Brothers and Sisters?
Where in the Book of Revelation are they now described as being in the presence of God, and the Son?
Are they described anywhere when John is told "Come and see.", found in the presence of God?
Why did John not say anything about seeing the wicked angels around the throne of God?
When do you think Satan "fell"?

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Rev 5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Simple analogy is like a Plant Manager of a GM or Ford Motor Co, falling from his position of Plant Manager to that of Dept Supervisor -still a position of power and authority but no where near the level of power and authority he once had - Lucifer once held the highest level position of authority of all angels in heaven but sin was found in him so he was cast down from his high position of power and authority to that of the "accuser of the brethern"-humans who follow Christ

If you believe that all angels are in the pit , you ignore the scripture that flat out tells you that satan is on earth roaring like a lion seeking who he may devour .

Bible does not say exactly when satan fell , but satan had his high authority in the Garden of Eden before Adam was created - lucifer/satan sinned before Adam was created and lost his High ranking in heaven.
Eden was changed to be for human Adam and satan in his jealous pride wanted to show God that Adam did not deserve Eden and so he focused his efforts to cause mankind to sin and tricked Eve and Adam into sin , as a result Adam was removed from Eden and fell under the rule of satan

2 Cor_ 4
4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Eph_ 2
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience

You have a misunderstanding in the way you force scripture to mean , as you want it to fit your doctrine. Just because satan is called the beast in some verses that does not mean any time you see the word beasts it means satan - it also means the animal kingdom on earth.

The beasts in Rev4 and 5 are how John describes angelic beings that are at Gods throne that in no way mean they are satan or demons , they simply have a different appearance (cars and trucks are very different but both are called automobiles )
The beasts in Rev4 and 5 are called 'creatures" in other translations

The fact that you continue to ignore the scripture that flat out tells you that satan is not bound at this time and is free to roam the earth seeking whom he may devour shows you insist to seek a way to make your doctrine work simply by ignoring the plain and simple scripture -

1 Pe_5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour

if satan was locked up now he would not be "as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" thus he would not be able to deceive anyone now today - but we do know he is not imprisoned now and is deceiving people everyday

As shown already that satan is NOT able to be in more than one place at one time - He is not locked up now and will not be until After Jesus returns

 

[DavidPT]

2 Cor_ 4
4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Speaking of this verse since you brought it up, obviously these unbelievers have to be connected with nations. Obviously as well, in order to blind the minds of unbelievers, that requires using deception, for one.

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers----that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled


How could anyone not see a contradiction if both are supposed to be true at the same time?

The only possible way Amil can be true, 2 Cor_ 4 is not applicable since the time of the cross. Wonder why this passage is even in the NT then?

 

[DavidPT]

Revelation 20:1-9

Satan is bound from "One Specific Purpose"

That is "Deceiving The Nations To The Final Battle" Simple

You go into elaborate detail as if the angel went to Ace Hardware and bought literal chains and locks?

The Seal Upon Satan Is?

"One Specific Purpose"

"Deceiving The Nations To The Final Battle"

This deception is seen in Revelation 16:12-17, Revelation 20:7-9 "Simple"

Devils will go forth from satan/beast/false prophet, to gather the nations to the final battle of Armageddon.

Can this deception be performed presently, "No"!

Satan is Sealed and Bound from this, Simple

The seal will be lifted towards the end of the future 42 month tribulation, the nations will be gathered, Jesus returns in fire judgment, "Eternity Begins" in the twinkling of an eye

Per your view though, this would apparently place the time of the 42 months during the thousand years when satan is supposed to be in the pit. The 42 month reign of the beast can only occur when satan is loose, not when he is bound. Revelation 20:4 clearly places the time of the 42 month reign of the beast prior to satan being loosed. Therefore, since the 42 month reign of the beast can't occur during satan's little season, nor during the thousand years, that only leaves one place it can occur, before the thousand years begins, thus proving Premil, and proving Amil once again false.

 

[Truth7t7]

Per your view though, this would apparently place the time i the 42 months during the thousand years when satan is supposed to be in the pit. The 42 month reign of the beast can only occur when satan is loose, not when he is bound. Revelation 20:4 clearly places the time of the 42 month reign of the beast prior to satan being loosed. Therefore, since the 42 month reign of the beast can't occur during satan's little season, nor during the thousand years, that only leaves one place it can occur, before the thousand years begins, thus proving Premil, and proving Amil once again false.

Revelation 20:4 says nothing about your proclaimed 42 month time frame.

"We Will Go Real Slow Dave"

1000 is not a literal time frame, 2 Peter 3:8 Revelation 20:1-6 is in the Lords Spiritual.

Satan is currently bound from the one specific purpose of deceiving the nations to the final battle. Revelation 16:12-17

The gathering of the nations to battle will take place prior to the second advent.

If a tribulation saint dies one day before the second advent he enters the 1000 years.

Dave you get a yard stick and stop watch out, trying to apply 1000 years, to a literal sense, not so.

 

[GUANO]

The "earth" is the people therein.

I contend that #2 Is also yet to happen. And the bottomless pit, who's angel is Abbadon is "destruction" aka "perdition"... This is where the "false prophet-beast" comes from before the great calamities.

 

[DavidPT]

Are you going to show us the scripture that proves it is talking about Genesis 6, or are you claiming this to make your doctrine work?

Jude 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


Look at the verses surrounding verse 6. Verse 5 has nothing to do with a time since the first coming, and neither does verse 7. So why shouldn't the same be true of verse 6?


2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:


How can Jude 1:6 and 2 Peter 2:4 not be referring to the same events? Why would 2 Peter 2:5 mention Noah's flood after verse 4 in that same chapter if verse 4 has no connection to that whatsoever? But let's say it doesn't. The fact verses 4-7 are in the order they chronologically occurred in history, this would at least place the timing of verse 4 as preceding the times of these events in verses 4-7.

If any of these angels also included satan, when did he get out of hell in order to be cast into the bottomless pit as of the cross? Where can I find those Scriptures?

 

[DavidPT]

Revelation 20:4 says nothing about your proclaimed 42 month time frame.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So you flat out deny that this part----and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands----that this has nothing whatsoever to do with Revelation 13 and the 42 month reign of the beast???

I wonder why Revelation 13 says the exact same things found in Revelation 20:4 then?

Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


Revelation 20:4---- and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands

Which beast did they not worship?

Answer: the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Which had not not worshiped what image?

Answer: that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands.

What mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands?

Answer: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads


And you seriously want us to believe that you are correct about me being wrong, that Revelation 20:4 says nothing about my proclaimed 42 month time frame?

Really? Are you 100% sure about that?