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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Goatee, Jul 19, 2017.

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  1. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    I agree that date setting is not the way.

    Thing is, has God given us the information in the Bible knowing that it is there for us to find and 'decode' so to speak?
     
  2. SeventyOne

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    You think it reads the same as the ascention account in Acts? I'd love to see how you reconcile the two, especially how the child is snatched violently away while Jesus ascended gradually.
     
  3. 2Timothy2:15

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    Matthew 24:36
    But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
     
  4. paul1149

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    Some interesting stuff. I wouldn't discount it out of hand. We are told to "watch and pray". And as we see predicted things happening, rather than fear, our response should be increased confidence in the Lord's plans for us.
     
  5. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Remember to include the passage before!

    Matthew 24:30-36
    30 then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; 31 and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    The Lesson of the Fig Tree
    32 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

    The Necessity for Watchfulness
    36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,[a] but the Father only.

    It is on about the coming of Our Lord.

    The 23rd is not about that. It's apparently about the beginning of the GREAT TRIBULATIONS,
     
  6. Dave Watchman

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    I can't really figure out what you're talking about here. Is this still a part of your counting 6000 years from creation week?

    Something might happen before the fire falls out of the sky. I don't know what but it's something to watch for. What I think is that when the fire actually falls from heaven in the presence of men, we will be locked into the "tribulation of those days", "for then there will be great tribulation". This span of days can NOT be any longer than 370/371 days in duration. If you count the first and last day that Noah entered and exited the ark as full days, the worst tribulation that the earth has seen up until now was 371 days long. What if this time range is a key in understanding the days in which we are living, just like in the days of Noah. Jesus said that our end time tribulation would be such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. So when fire falls from the sky and burns up a "third" of the earth, we will have about 370 days until our redemption is here. I can find 371 days framed in by a conjunction and a "darkened" sun.

    Something is causing "all" of the saints to pray at the beginning of Revelation 8

    "And he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel. Then the angel took the censer and filled it with fire from the altar and threw it on the earth, and there were peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning, and an earthquake.

    Will there be some event prior to the fire falling from the sky that is causing all these saints to be praying?

    I've said some strange sounding things before like the abomination of desolation has just been recently set up, the United States is the "holy place" that Jesus was talking about in the Olivet (Let The Reader Understand) and the end time tribulation would be 420/371 days long. Now I'm talking to this very smart guy from Ohio, and I don't agree with 100% of everything he says, but he also thinks that the United States is the "holy place" and the tribulation would be about 371 days.

    I'll post his video and also mention one more thing. In the video he mentions an earthquake which occurred on 4/11/2012. I've Googled the heck out of that thing and found it to be interesting what the secular people said about it. It was the largest strike slip earthquake on record. In the 6 days that followed, there where aftershock tremors felt around the world.. Seven years after that quake in 2019 is where I see the sun being "darkened" and the moon not giving her light.



    Birth pangs
    The April 11 earthquake occurred in a region that is giving birth to the Earth's newest tectonic plate.


    Large 2012 earthquake triggered temblors worldwide for nearly a week
     
  7. Revealing Times

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    I will be in Heaven at he time of the Seventh Trumpet. The LAST TRUMP Paul was speaking of has nothing to do with the Seventh Trump which is a part of Gods Wrath. The Last Trump is speaking about the Feast Of Trumps which always announced that The Feast Pentecost/Harvest (Church Age) was ending and that the Feast of Atonement was nigh, followed by the Feast of Tabernacle. Do you get the symmetry here?

    1. Feast of Passover (Jesus Fulfilled with Blood)
    2. Feast of Unleavened Bread (Jesus was without sin)
    3. Feast of First-fruits (Jesus was the First-fruits of the Grave)

    4. Feast of Pentecost (This was the Harvest or the CHURCH AGE which we are still in, it was all alone on the calendar, Jesus is the Sower and we are the Body who are still busy Harvesting Souls for the Sower. When Pentecost is over THE LAST TRUMP will Sound and we will be Raptured to Heaven to be with the Lord.

    5. The Feast of Trumpets (Announces the end of the Pentecost/Harvest and that Atonement and Tabernacle are very near.

    6. Feast of Atonement (The Church is in Heaven, now Israel MUST ATONE for their sins before this the 70th Week us finished, just like the prophecy says will happen.

    7. Feast of Tabernacle ( Tabernacle means To Dwell with God, thus Jesus returns and Jesus/God will Dwell with Israel. )

    The LAST TRUMP is not the Seventh Trump of Revelation. One is calling Christians home to be with the Lord the other is a Trumpet of WRATH.
     
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  8. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Revelation 6:9-11 is your answer.
     
  9. Dave Watchman

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    Then it looks like we'll be stuck in there together with Keras and those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name, standing beside the sea of glass with harps of God in our hands.

    Because no one could enter the sanctuary until the seven last plagues of the seven angels were finished.

    Vials come after the trumpets.
     
  10. Dave Watchman

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    You could be right but I doubt it. Because the destruction is sudden, it come like a snare on the whole world. Like on the day that Lot left out from Sodom. The fifth seal souls are what comes as a result of the tribulation of those days. The first four trumpets, for then there will be great tribulation, are probably going to be the catalyst for the mark of the beast and all of the persecution of the saints that will result in them finding a place beneath the alter.
     
  11. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Maybe I should have just ignored these things and concentrated on God alone.

    Searching for the truth about what might happen or when. Is there a need? I have been sidetracked lately with this. Searching on YouTube etc.

    Is it my own doing or is God guiding me?

    I thought I was a partial preterist.
     
  12. Revealing Times

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    So you don't think Revelation 12:6-17, which is the REAL PROPHECY of Revelation chapter 12? Revelation 12:1-5 is NOT A PROPHECY it can not be a Prophecy becausy it is a Past Event.

    Israel are a people, and Jesus tells them in Matthew 24 that when they see the Abomination of Desolation that they should Flee unto the Wilderness. So Satan is cast out of Heaven and Israel Flees into the Wilderness starting in Rev. 12:6 not in verses 1-5. See for a reference Daniel 12:1-2, Michael Stands Up, and it happens during a Time of Great Trouble, just like Jesus said in Matthew 24. And the Rapture is mentioned in Daniel 12:2 at this same time it says the dead will be raised and they will receive their just rewards. So Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:15-22 and Revelation 12:6-17 are the EXACT SAME EVENTS. Of course.

    Eagles Wings always means Gods help. The Beast will not be a Beast until the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem. So the Beast is still Mortally wounded at this time.

    You do realize no actual Star came into our atmosphere right? And that Angels are called stars throughout the Bible. Angels appears as guiding lights led these three men unto Jesus Christ.

    Already explained in DETAIL....Yes that is exactly what it meant. And that is what it says.
    They destroyed your thesis though....:wave:

    They guy is a University Prof. at a College, he doesn't work a the Vatican, you mentioning the Vatican then the name of the Observatory has absolutely nothing to do with him, WHY BESMIRCH HIM? Because he proved this wrong?, That's not the way we Christians should act brother. Its irrelevant what some observatory at the Vatican is named isn't it, as per this man anyway.

    I am looking to the Bible and the Holy Spirit, not the stars.
     
  13. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Holy Spirit I agree. Let's all be guided correctly.

    God bless you all
     
  14. Revealing Times

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    For starters it does not describe as you are implying how Jesus was taken up, of course you try to take it out of context. Just the fact that the Holy Spirit took Jesus up is BY FORCE, you can find old Greek words that say it must be violent of you so desire, I understand it means BY FORCE. And also Jesus was taken up here for the last time as per the Disciples seeing him on earth. This was not when Jesus FIRST WENT TO HEAVEN, that happened after Mary saw him and he said do not touch me for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Then he Ascended, so why bring up the Acts verses which was 40 days later? Because there is no eyewitness to the other ascension so you have to bring thin in. The truth is you have no clue how Jesus was taken up the first time because there was no Eyewitnesses.

    The very nature of ascension meant BY FORCE. And Force can be Violent but doesn't have to be. High Pressure water shot straight up is not violent, shooting it at people makes it violent. Its all in the way you look at something.
     
  15. Revealing Times

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    Those are Saints who were Martyred in the Tribulation (Think 5th Seal).
     
  16. Blade

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    For me.. were talking about "tomorrow" a day as Jesus said.. all the worries and troubles and wonderful things.. will all take care of them selfs. For the LORD.. as we should know. its TODAY that matters. To study and seek learn about prophecy.. duh.. its great..wise. Yet as some know.. every YEAR about Aug-Nov.. something is GOING TO HAPPEN! Then jump to March-Jun now reset.

    From what I read there is nothing that stops Jesus from taking His Church. That being said.. as always I have said so many years now..again "Sept-Oct" will come and go. No great tribulation will start.. were not in the 1st half of it. Its not about America.. there is NOTHING going on that would cause Israel to sign anything.. and that lawless one is still being held back. The Church has ALL POWER over him. This will never change.

    For me.. what I see is a..lack of a better word a 'bump" so to speak in time. It seemed as if ONE WORLD ORDER was knocking at the door.. now.. something happen to push it back. For me it would see Satan tried to RUSH it on the stage. And its now what we see what we think nor what we KNOW will happen. Its ALL in the Fathers hands and we get NO SAY what so ever. And NO MAN.. please you really need to understand this.. NO MAN will EVER get the glory.. as in I WAS RIGHT! I KNEW IT.. DIDNT I TELL YOU?" Things like that.

    The Father.. ALL of man He made. He right now is out there trying to SAVE MAN. If JUDGMENT was what He wanted then JESUS would never have came. So.. it will NEVER happen the way YOU or I see it. Like it or not believe it or not.. JESUS is coming to get HIS OWN! He told us.. He never came back and got the 12.. He said "If I go I will come back and get you take you receive you unto my self so where I am you will be" <----I never seen this happen..YET. So this will happen..when? No one knows.

    Talk study.. chat.. about all this awesome.. but. you best be ready NOW! Or you will miss Him. Again..were talking about a GOD..so for me.. if JESUS is not guessing wondering asking about all this.. I don't. It come down to WHAT can I do NOW! Be the LIGHT...SHINE...for its NOT about you..
     
  17. Dave Watchman

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    I agree that the event is past, the prohecy itself is historical. But there seems to be more going on here than what is seen at the surface. Like I was saying before, it's like it's talking about two things at once. Not exactly a dual prophecy but a prophecy with a "sign" embedded within the text. The sign appears in the sky, "in heaven". It's like a hieroglyphic representation of the prophetic story, written in the stars and appearing at just the right time appointed.

    I'm sorry but I don't agree with this. The "woman" is not Old Israel. The time between the dragon chasing the woman into the wilderness and the abomination of desolation is more like 1477 years.

    I know. I agree.

    "You have seen what I did to the Egyptians. You know how I carried you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself.

    But this time the great eagle specifically is said to have TWO wings:

    "The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness,"

    Like a solid rocket booster on the space shuttle Discovery, wing # 1 was used up during the 1260 years of papal persecution from 538 to 1798. Wing # 2 is still burning it's propellant pending specifications within the beast's 42 months of end time authority. But we are not the woman in the wilderness anymore, we are the "offspring" of the woman, who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus, with whom the dragon is preparing to make war with.

    I disagree. I'm sorry, but I just had to backspace some things. I know that it's scary, it's a scary subject. The composite beast, the first beast that rises from the sea, is not the Antichrist. The first beast is a conglomerate, composed of governmental and religious authority. The composite beast is not the individual Man of Sin that Paul was talking about. Here is an example of how the composite beast might have opened its mouth again to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

    Talks planned on if womb transplants for trans-women should be publicly funded

    That's OK. But my understanding is that:

    "there will be signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars.

    And like it was said earlier in the thread, we don't have long to wait.
     
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  18. Dave Watchman

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    You'll be fine Goatee, we'll do what Paul said:

    "Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
     
  19. keras

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    No, the Day of the Lord's wrath comes before the end of the 6000 years from Creation.
    It will be the Day that comes as a thief, unexpectedly and shocking to all who haven't seen it coming. That terrible Day will set the scene for a One World Govt and for the Lord's people, all faithful Christians from every tribe, race, nation and language to gather in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9
    The Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will be triggered by an attack on Israel by an Islamic confederation. As described in Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11-12. Could happen anytime now! But Prophecy does say the Lord will act on His Appointed day. Habakkuk 2:3, Acts of the Apostles 17:31, Revelation 6:12-17
     
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  20. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Well, I must explain what I saw as a logical progression. Chapter eight has God responding to the prayers of the saints by pouring out wrath on the Earth. Scanning backward, the previous instance we come to of praying saints is the verse I suggested in chapter six, where the martyred saints are begging for the wrath of God, and he tells them to wait a little longer, until the last one is to be martyred.

    It seems logical to me. Saints beg for wrath; God says wait a little while; God later responds to prayers and casts wrath (or begins casting wrath) on the earth.

    That's what I recommend. End times prophecy is cryptic. Its interpretations are diverse. It seems no two people have the same answer on anything. The answers that you do get range from self-contradictory to some bizarre manner of numerology. Take it lightly, and don't ask an end-times question unless you're ready to be deluged by a torrent of wild divergent theories, all of which are held to be unquestionably true.

    I don't know. I'm just a rat.

    I thought I was a premillenialist. Then I was an amillennialist. I started as a dispensationalist, and then I thought that dispensationalism was dead wrong. In fact, I think I've held every position at one time or another. All I know for sure is that every prediction that could be proved wrong has been proved wrong, and I highly suspect that the ones that can eventually be proved wrong probably will be.

    With all that people thought they knew about the first coming of the Messiah, the greatest of the experts were the biggest failures.
     
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