2013 War on Christmas

[morningstar2651]

There was no Jesus in the sentence I responded to. Now you are mixing apples with skunk weed.

Tomatoes with tomatos.

Unless you agree that there is a difference between a God and a daimon?

 

[dad]

Tomatoes with tomatos.

Unless you agree that there is a difference between a God and a daimon?

Not a great question. That is obvious. I assume by your word daimon, you mean fallen angel?

 

[morningstar2651]

Not a great question. That is obvious. I assume by your word daimon, you mean fallen angel?

I'm speaking of the original meaning of the word. The Greeks made a distinction between the Theoi and the Daimones - the Gods and the Demons.

Daimones are spirits like nymphs and satyroi. Satyroi were men with the legs and horns of a goat - the origin of the popular imagery of the devil.

Demons weren't necessarily good or evil.

DAIMONES KHRYSEOI : Golden Daemons, Spirits of Agricultural Bounty & Justice | Greek mythology
DAIMONES ARGYREOI : Silver Daemons, Spirits of Agricultural Bounty | Greek mythology
EASTERN DAEMONS : Sea-Demons of Rhodes | Greek mythology, Daimones Proseoous
DAIMONES KERAMIKOI : Pottery-Destroying Daemons | Greek mythology

The fallen angels you speak of are not found in the Hebrew Bible nor the Deuterocanonical Books nor the New Testament. They are not biblical.

 

[Saleena]

Cmon, show the pictures of satyrs that make the immature giggle with delight :3 I know I did when I first saw it.

 

[morningstar2651]

Cmon, show the pictures of satyrs that make the immature giggle with delight :3 I know I did when I first saw it.

Which ones? There are tons.

 

[Saleena]

It involves a lulzy balancing act with a wine glass. :3

 

[dad]

I'm speaking of the original meaning of the word. The Greeks made a distinction between the Theoi and the Daimones - the Gods and the Demons.

Daimones are spirits like nymphs and satyroi. Satyroi were men with the legs and horns of a goat - the origin of the popular imagery of the devil.



Demons weren't necessarily good or evil.

Guess Scripture clears that up.


It would seem that any gods or demons in history were spiritual.

The fallen angels you speak of are not found in the Hebrew Bible nor the Deuterocanonical Books nor the New Testament. They are not biblical.

Isa 14:12 -How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
Jude 1:6 -And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Re 12:4 -And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:

 

[morningstar2651]

It involves a lulzy balancing act with a wine glass. :3

I need to learn that trick...I'd be a lot of fun at parties with that one. :3

 

[Saleena]

I need to learn that trick...I'd be a lot of fun at parties with that one. :3

I couldn't stop laughing at it in class when I first saw it.

 

[morningstar2651]

Guess Scripture clears that up.


It would seem that any gods or demons in history were spiritual.



Isa 14:12 -How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
Jude 1:6 -And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Re 12:4 -And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:

Three verses from different books out of context? I'll play this game.

Mark 13:1 As Jesus was leaving the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher! What massive stones! What magnificent buildings!”
Matthew 27:5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
Luke 10:37 Jesus said "Go and do likewise".

Those verses you quoted said nothing about angels falling or fallen angels, or about gods being fallen angels, or god being a fallen angel, or about Jesus being a fallen angel. Belief in fallen angels is extrabiblical...not in the sense that it is MORE biblical...rather in the sense that it comes from outside the bible.

 

[dad]

Three verses from different books out of context? I'll play this game....

Those verses you quoted said nothing about angels falling or fallen angels, or about gods being fallen angels, or god being a fallen angel, or about Jesus being a fallen angel.

Lucifer fell. The demons Jesus cast out were fallen, and certainly not angels.
Not sure about your crazy talk about Jesus falling.

Do you comprehend that there are angels that followed evil, and rebelled against God?

 

[morningstar2651]

Do you comprehend that there are angels that followed evil, and rebelled against God?

Nope. Can you show me?

 

[morningstar2651]

Here is the revelation verse in context...bizarre dream-like context.

The Woman and the Dragon

12 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.



Satan Thrown Down to Earth

7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers[a] has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

13 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood on the sand of the sea.

 

[dad]

Here is the revelation verse in context...bizarre dream-like context.

Nothing fuzzy about the devil having angels and being cast out of heaven at all.



Re 12:9 -And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[morningstar2651]

Nothing fuzzy about the devil having angels and being cast out of heaven at all.


Re 12:9 -And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Did you not read the previous post? I quoted all of Rev. 12 for context.

You are aware of the premise behind the book of Revelation, aren't you?

The premise is that it is something that hasn't happened. It's a vision of the end of the world.

 

[dad]

Did you not read the previous post? I quoted all of Rev. 12 for context.

You are aware of the premise behind the book of Revelation, aren't you?

The premise is that it is something that hasn't happened. It's a vision of the end of the world.

Right. But some angels are already bound, some are active in what we might call 'space'. The final fall to earth is not what we are talking about here. That does show that they are fallen though.

 

[morningstar2651]

Right. But some angels are already bound, some are active in what we might call 'space'. The final fall to earth is not what we are talking about here. That does show that they are fallen though.

Active in space? Like as aliens? This discussion just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

 

[dad]

Active in space? Like as aliens? This discussion just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

Right. There are no aliens. They are demons or angels.

Daniel had his answer to prayer by an angel delayed...by a bad angel, on his way to earth. Such are the realities that are beyond the range and abilities of men.

 

[fireof god98]

Right. There are no aliens. They are demons or angels.

Daniel had his answer to prayer by an angel delayed...by a bad angel, on his way to earth. Such are the realities that are beyond the range and abilities of men.

how do you know there are no aliens

 

[dad]

how do you know there are no aliens

Without Jesus was not anything made that was made. Any so called aliens would be spiritual beings. The whole alien thing is likely a preparation for after the Rapture, to explain demons to man and maybe try to explain where we all went!