1st the Law, then the Cross

[ralliann]

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[BNR32FAN]

I explained it.

"a more perfect gift".

Notice that this can't be the same that Cain brought.
So, out goes "works" "self effort" and "a fruit basket".

Now, go to JUDE.
He teaches that if a person is trying to STAY SAVED or GO TO HEAVEN by "being obedient" or by "keeping commandments'.
See, all of this, sounds GREAT.
But God only accepts the BLOOD HE SHED to accept you.

So, a person who is not trusting in CHRIST, is trying to be CAIN.


A.) """" Here God, TAKE THIS = here is my commandment keeping, my Torah keeping, my good works, my LIFESTYLE, my SELF EFFORT".

See all that?
That is the "error of Cain".
Its a person who is substituting their DOING SOMETHING in place of the BLOOD ATONEMENT, to try to get God to have them, and keep them.
This is LEGALISM, and its a "fallen from Grace" believer.

Your seriously going to twist this into a reformed theology when it clearly rejects it? You are injecting your theology into passages that are not even close to fitting the situation. This is good, your really helping to support my position.

 

[Sidon]

Sin is the transgression of the LAW. The wages of sin is DEATH. The curse is DEATH. That is what was nailed to the cross....the curse...He became a curse for us. We are saved from the CURSE.

"Christ has delivered us from the CURSE Of the LAW".

There are several things that are nailed to the Cross.

1. The law
2. Your "old man"
3. sin

 

[Sidon]

And what you've been demonstrating all along is that you fail to understand me, and the gospel of Christ in any complete manner, even though you do well on some points.

Ive not failed to note and point out that you believe that a person is born again, to then return to a covenant that has been replaced, to try to be saved.
So, your theology, is not related to God's NT Salvation, as proven by over 30 posts that you have sent to me, that do not talk about the Cross or the Blood of Jesus, but just REDUNDANTLY emphasize, your devotion to the LAW OF MOSES.

Want to do it again?
That'll be nothing new from you.

 

[Sidon]

Your seriously going to twist this into a reformed theology when it clearly rejects it? You are injecting your theology into passages that are not even close to fitting the situation. This is good, your really helping to support my position.

Here is your "position".
You are a legalist according to every argument you post that proves it.
That is about 95% of what you have posted on my Threads.
You teach "the error of cain", as defined by Jude, that is : Galatians 1:8

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here is your "position".
You are a legalist according to every argument you post that proves it.
That is about 95% of what you have posted on my Threads.
You teach "the error of cain", as defined by Jude, that is : Galatians 1:8

Nope that’s just a misrepresentation of what I actually preach which is why you are completely incapable of quoting anything I’ve said that suggests we are justified (made right with God) by works.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And what you've been demonstrating all along is that you fail to understand me, and the gospel of Christ in any complete manner, even though you do well on some points.

No there’s a difference between failing to understand someone and falsely representing them in order to discredit them. I don’t believe that failure to understand is the problem I think refusal to accept is the root cause.

 

[Sidon]

Sin has been since the beginning
Ro 5:13
It was not brought to account until the law was given. Sodom and Gomorrah was Gods response to the blood of many crying out to him from the ground.

Sin was in the DEVIL, before Adam was on the Earth.

Also, God burned sodomites.
This has nothing to do with "blood crying out".
See, its the same REASON that the FLood drowned a world full of sodomites, when Noah was saved from this JUDGEMENT flood by the ARK.

 

[BNR32FAN]

And what you've been demonstrating all along is that you fail to understand me, and the gospel of Christ in any complete manner, even though you do well on some points.

“He who has ears to hear, let him hear”. Some people just don’t have ears to hear because they refuse to humble themselves and put aside their preconceived notions. This is exactly what the Jews did. They already thought they knew it all and wouldn’t open their ears and humble themselves to hear anything other than what they already knew.

 

[Sidon]

Nope that’s just a misrepresentation of what I actually preach

Let me show you what you believe, or will you dodge this again, as you dodged it last time?

Explain why : The Blood of Jesus that saves, always keeps you saved, no matter what you do".

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here is your "position".
You are a legalist according to every argument you post that proves it.
That is about 95% of what you have posted on my Threads.
You teach "the error of cain", as defined by Jude, that is : Galatians 1:8

You think I’m preaching the new gospel? I’m not the one preaching 16th century doctrines.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Let me show you what you believe, or will you dodge this again, as you dodged it last time?

Explain why : The Blood of Jesus that saves, always keeps you saved, no matter what you do".

You want me to explain why the blood of Jesus always keeps us saved? It doesn’t, because from the day we are born until the day we die every second of our life we have a choice to make that decides whether or not we will receive eternal life. At no point in our entire life are we incapable of turning away from Christ and turning back towards sin. If we do turn back to a sinful way of life and we do not repent we will lose the salvation we would’ve received if we had remained in Christ. Hence “but the one who endures to the end will be saved”. Jesus said this several times. What does it mean?

Oh and you accused me of being a legalistic, we’re you able to find any quotes of mine confirming that accusation?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here is your "position".
You are a legalist according to every argument you post that proves it.
That is about 95% of what you have posted on my Threads.
You teach "the error of cain", as defined by Jude, that is : Galatians 1:8

Heres your position
You preach a watered down gospel.
You preach that a person can be saved if they believe for a while and are born again but later they can turn to unbelief and they will still be saved.
You also preach that a born again Christian will be saved even if he is killed in the act of killing innocent Christians.
You preach a very WIDE gate to heaven that is extremely easy to enter. In fact it’s so wide that the only way to not enter it is to never believe at all at any point in your life. As long as a person believed for a brief moment they’re saved forever hallelujah!!

I’m born again, now I can do whatever I want and I’ll be saved!!

That is a false gospel.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

"Christ has delivered us from the CURSE Of the LAW".

There are several things that are nailed to the Cross.

1. The law
2. Your "old man"
3. sin

Matthew 5:17

Colossians 2:14

Galatians 3:13

 

[Sidon]

You think I’m preaching the new gospel? I’m not the one preaching 16th century doctrines.

You are preaching "another Gospel".

Paul defined the gospel, like this...
"my Gospel".
You dont know what this is, but you'll now search it, and come back and pretend you knew.
But you dont.
If you did, we would be here together, in unity, regarding "the gospel".

 

[Sidon]

You want me to explain why the blood of Jesus always keeps us saved? It doesn’t,

What you just did is deny the Blood Of Jesus, by giving yourself credit for keeping yourself saved.
So, if you are the savior, continue to give yourself Credit for keeping yourself saved by self effort to do right.

My advice. ?
Repent of your self saving theology, and tell God you are sorry, and from this moment on, ONLY Believe this Verse.
Philippians 1:6
Never again take credit for Salvation, which is what you just wrote.
Only Give Jesus credit for what He accomplished by shedding His blood for you, and dying and coming up from the Grave.
Start today.
Never look back.

 

[Sidon]

Heres your position
You preach a watered down gospel.

That is a false gospel.

There is only one Gospel.
Paul said its ..'"My Gospel", and that is the "Preaching of the Cross".

"faith comes by HEARING"..
Hearing by the WORD OF GOD.

Paul said this, is THE Gospel..

1 Corinthians 1:21

"God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe."
And what is "Preached" - THE CROSS.

There is THE Gospel.
See it?
Take a good Look.
So, your gospel of "works", "error of Cain" need not apply to the Throne of God.

 

[Sidon]

Matthew 5:17

Colossians 2:14

Galatians 3:13

"Jesus came to deliver us from the CURSE of the Law".

He did, by completing : Matthew 5:17

Colossians 2:14 : explains that the Law was crucified with Christ.
This means that the dominion of the Law is "done away", regarding the born again.
Now, the born again, are "not under the LAW, but UNDER GRACE".
There is your New Covenant replacing the Old Covenant.


Galatians 3:13 : Is God's Blood installing the New Testament, In the time of the Gentiles.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are preaching "another Gospel".

Paul defined the gospel, like this...
"my Gospel".
You dont know what this is, but you'll now search it, and come back and pretend you knew.
But you dont.
If you did, we would be here together, in unity, regarding "the gospel".

where does Paul call it “my gospel”?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

"Jesus came to deliver us from the CURSE of the Law".

Colossians 2:14 : explains that the Law was crucified with Christ.
This means that the dominion of the Law is "done away", regarding the born again.
Now, the born again, are "not under the LAW, but UNDER GRACE".
There is your New Covenant replacing the Old Covenant.

The curse of the law (death) was nailed to the cross....He became a curse for us. If no law then no sin and no need for grace...