17 Students Killed at Florida High School

[Rick Otto]

Not really, those wars were funded by debt.

Yeah, really. Debt is funding.

 

[Rick Otto]

Trollish responses are trollish.

Volunteers are being accepted.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Your attempt to defend the FBI is pathetic.

Is it? How so? What exactly would you like to have seen the FBI do in this case?

We can afford to invade the middle east repeatedly.

I take it you're not an economist. So far, we haven't afforded it once.

You are blaming victims.

If a drunk driver gets into a car crash...they may be considered a victim of a car crash, but it doesn't mean they aren't to blame.

 

[Ana the Ist]

How about simple accountable responsibility for actionable intelligence.

What actions should the FBI have taken?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Oh...even better...he legally purchased the AR-15 he used. I mean, why not give a 19yo kid an assault rifle? No possible downside there.

 

[Desk trauma]

Yeah, really. Debt is funding.

Being able to get a loan doesn’t mean you can afford something.

 

[Rion]

Ugh I couldnt get hold of the whole article just the abstract online: But this is an interesting article and I wish I could read it. If I'm reading the abstract correctly its about injecting emotion and pre-conceived political partisanship into logical arguments. It didnt show results in the abstracts but I'd guess it is showing that ones emotive and political persuasion will influence or over-ride a logical objective argument. Is that the gist Rion?Are you able to cut and paste a little of its results or conclusions?

You can sign up to JSTOR to read it for free.

The Effects of Need for Cognition and Need for Affect on Partisan Evaluations on JSTOR

I can send you part of it, if that doesn't work.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

Ironically, Cruz was of Latino Descent, in one article his former Spanish teacher pointed out he was reluctant to speak in Spanish, even though he was of Latino/Hispanic descent and was fluent in spanish and was ashamed of his heritage and culture.

Nikolas Cruz was adopted along with his younger brother by a couple with that surname when he was a small child. Many high schoolers in southern Florida are fluent in Spanish, regardless of their ethnicity.

The moment Nikolas Cruz's name was made public as the shooter there was a rush of people to their social media accounts claiming, apparently inspired by nothing more than his Spanish-sounding surname, that he is Latino. As the adage (incorrectly attributed to Mark Twain, but still valid nevertheless) goes, “a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes". Quickly the assertion that Cruz is an undocumented DACA recipient was propagated. A Republican candidate for the Senate in Arizona gave credence to the lie by Tweeting that "Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooter, now in police custody after Parkland, Florida shooting, who has been identified as 19-year-old Nicolas Cruz - is a "Dreamer". When confronted with its falseness, he committed to it, amplifying his claims and asserting (predictably, but stupidly) that the "fake news" media was covering up that Cruz was a Dreamer.

In the wake of the massacre, troll and bot-tracking sites reported an immediate uptick in related tweets from political propaganda bots and Russia-linked Twitter accounts with pro-gun Tweets. Soon the bots picked up the lies about Cruz being a Dreamer of Latino descent, which then lead to fabricated articles on social media.

 

[drjean]

There is quite a bit of irrational, unrelated thought here, imo.

Those who wish to take guns away from law abiding citizens because students are being gunned down by mentally ill people which government drops the ball in using current rules/laws to contain....

how about we take away driver's licenses from teens? THEY kill themselves and each other far more than any teen with a firearm! That sounds much more logical, rational, to me.

Teen Drivers. Motor vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death for U.S. teens. Six teens ages 16 to 19 die every day from motor vehicle injuries. Per mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are nearly three times more likely than drivers aged 20 and older to be in a fatal crash.Oct 13, 2017

 

[SummerMadness]

There is quite a bit of irrational, unrelated thought here, imo.

Those who wish to take guns away from law abiding citizens because students are being gunned down by mentally ill people which government drops the ball in using current rules/laws to contain....

how about we take away driver's licenses from teens? THEY kill themselves and each other far more than any teen with a firearm! That sounds much more logical, rational, to me.

How many car accidents are associated with teens using their vehicles as their tool of murder? More people die of heart disease and cancer, so we shouldn't pay attention to crime or auto accidents.

 

[Rick Otto]

What actions should the FBI have taken?

Put him in the charge of responsible Mental Health professionals.

 

[Ana the Ist]

There is quite a bit of irrational, unrelated thought here, imo.

Yeah, you're about to demonstrate that down below...

Those who wish to take guns away from law abiding citizens because students are being gunned down by mentally ill people which government drops the ball in using current rules/laws to contain....

What current law allows the government to imprison or take a gun away from someone who makes a vague threat online?

how about we take away driver's licenses from teens? THEY kill themselves and each other far more than any teen with a firearm! That sounds much more logical, rational, to me.

The irony of this is that he would've had to demonstrate both legal knowledge and competency in driving to obtain a driver's license....he only had to be an adult to purchase a human killing machine.

It's far easier to obtain a gun legally than it is to drive legaly.

 

[Rick Otto]

Being able to get a loan doesn’t mean you can afford something.

Being able to afford something doesn't stop you from acquiring it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Put him in the charge of responsible Mental Health professionals.

The standards for committing someone against their will are actually quite high...and he's not even close to meeting those standards.

 

[drjean]

https://www.aceable.com/safe-driving-videos/teen-car-crash-statistics-2/

More teens die from driving cars than those students from other students with firearms in school. Is that acceptable? Are we numb because it's a daily occurrence? Take away their cars and licenses and stop killing our youth!

 

[Rick Otto]

The standards for committing someone against their will are actually quite high...and he's not even close to meeting those standards.

You're just changing goal posts.
Dissolving responsibility.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

There is quite a bit of irrational, unrelated thought here, imo.

Those who wish to take guns away from law abiding citizens because students are being gunned down by mentally ill people which government drops the ball in using current rules/laws to contain....

how about we take away driver's licenses from teens? THEY kill themselves and each other far more than any teen with a firearm! That sounds much more logical, rational, to me.

Anybody who gets a license in our state under the age of 18 has a graduated license restrictions which regulates everything from hours they can drive to how many passengers they have. They also have to pass a drivers ed test, a written test, and a driving test before getting that graduated license. Then they and their parents have to pay for different and more expensive insurance. And if they are bad drivers who repeatedly have accidents or are part of a fatal accident or have been issued too many tickets, their license is revoked or suspended for up to 5 years.

So basically, despite the fact there isn’t an issue with teens causing mass casualty disasters for the purpose of domestic terrorism, there is more regulation on teen drivers than there are teen gun owners, making whatever faint point you were trying to make completely void.

 

[Desk trauma]

Being able to afford something doesn't stop you from acquiring it.

Are you conceding that we cannot afford the two trillion that boondoggle in the Middle East cost us now?

 

[Rion]

Are you conceding that we cannot afford the two trillion that boondoggle in the Middle East cost us now?

What are you talking about? That ended eight years ago when Obama got elected and brought the troops home. Then we never invaded another country again.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You're just changing goal posts.
Dissolving responsibility.

No...I'm stating facts. The standards for involuntary commitment are what they are...and even if they could commit him, they can't hold him forever.

The only way to avoid this was to keep a gun out of his hands.