17 Students Killed at Florida High School

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There are 100,000 schools in the USA (or so)... the percentages are low for mass shootings...


IMO if you want to help solve this problem insist upon mental health counseling available in schools, allow stronger measures when such a student throws all those red flags, add GOD back into classrooms, stop the violent video games.

NOW Florida tax payers are going to cover the counseling of all students (nearly 3000 in that school and another few thousand in next door school) and for the funerals! That money would have been better spent for on-site psychologists in each school... avoid the trauma which is life-long.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE WORLD WHO HAS NOT BEEN TRAUMATIZED? :(
That may depend on your definition of low. 18 school shootings in the last 45 days.
18 school shootings in 45 days — Florida massacre is one of many tragedies in 2018
 
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NEW RULE - Any politician who trots out the 'it's about mental health' canard is required to sponsor a bill allowing for comprehensive, nationwide and free mental health services for all citizens.
 
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NEW RULE - Any politician who trots out the 'it's about mental health' canard is required to sponsor a bill allowing for comprehensive, nationwide and free mental health services for all citizens.
The real insanity is that this kind of horrific event will happen again, and again, and again!
 
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The images from the school were heartbreaking. There is one of a girl with her backpack on, being comforted by man I'm presuming to be a teacher or administrator by how he is dressed. Her head is bowed in grief and shock, and she's still holding onto a Happy Valentine's Day balloon. It's a day when gifts of love are given and received. She probably went to school joyful, hopeful, eager. And now she's had innocence and trust stolen. Another harrowing image is of a mom with the ash cross on her forehead, because it was Ash Wednesday as well as Valentine's Day, and she's cradling another mom whose face is distorted in agony. The parents waited for hours to be reunited with their kids, or to learn they would never be. It was a day that was supposed to be filled with reverence and love.

The Tweets coming from the kids as they were barricaded inside the school were haunting. One was from a 14-year-old boy crouched under his desk. You can see that the classroom is dark and the front is empty; all the kids and the teachers are huddled on the ground in the back, with the lights off. There were kids hiding in lockers and closets, and had to be escorted out by SWAT members past their slain classmates.

And it's not rare. Last week I was reading an article about a little girl who was so traumatized by a shooting at her elementary school in 2016 that killed her friend, a sweet boy named Jacob who was the smallest child in their class, she could not return to school and has debilitating anxiety. She is anguished, and was diagnosed with PTSD. That shooting gained just a few moments of national attention since the number of casualties was small, and school shootings in our country have become so regular they don't cause us all to stand still in shock anymore. But it had deeply touched my little sister when she learned of it a few days later. She normally doesn't read the newspapers, but there was a picture of people dressed in superheroes costumes, and so she had assumed it would be fun. But it was about how mourners dressed up in them for Jacob's funeral as a way of paying tribute to him. The little girl in South Carolina who was Jacob's friend wrote a letter to Trump asking him what he was going to do to prevent school shootings from happening again. To her family's shock, she did receive a letter from him in response. He praised her for her bravery and thanked her for writing to him and Mrs. Trump, and told her that they loved children and wanted to keep them safe. After the initial astonishment wore off a few days later, she realized that Trump had never answered her question. He never explained how he planned on keeping kids safe from another gun shooting. So she wrote him a second letter asking for that answer. She still hasn't received a response.
 
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I remember when columbine was the exception. Now it has become the norm.

My parents were stationed at Ramstein in Germany in 1999. The base was already on alert the day of the Columbine massacre because it was April 20 - Hitler's birthday - and was often symbolically chosen by hate groups wanting to perpetrate attacks, and because the day prior was the anniversary of the Waco massacre in 1993 and the Oklahoma City Bombings of 1995. They said that Columbine was an unprecedented horror, not because of fear to themselves, but empathy. People were grieved. The American network channels are broadcast there, and all programming had been interrupted for the coverage. My grandmother was a principal in Virginia, and said teachers, parents, students, were all shaken.

By the time I started school a few years later more school shootings had occurred. The first school I went to in the US was a preschool on the campus of a college, and a false report of a shooter had caused a lockdown. We were hurried into a huge supply closet to wait for the all clear. Every school I've been to has taught us what to do in the event of a school shooting, but according to relatives such drills were a rarity in the pre-Columbine era. They're definitely necessary now. The training was a tremendous help today, in immediately locking the school down. The teachers also used sound judgement. There'd been a fire alarm earlier in the day, and when it sounded again that afternoon - by the shooter as a way of luring students out - some were suspicious and had the kids stay in the classroom with the lights off. At another recent school shooting that took place early in the morning at an elementary school, the teachers and janitor saved all the kids by reacting so fast, getting them all inside and protected, the school locked. I have friends in Germany, elsewhere in Europe, in Australia, and South Africa, and they all think it's bizarre and horrifying that we have drills to learn what to do if there's a shooter on campus.
 
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The images from the school were heartbreaking. There is one of a girl with her backpack on, being comforted by man I'm presuming to be a teacher or administrator by how he is dressed. Her head is bowed in grief and shock, and she's still holding onto a Happy Valentine's Day balloon. It's a day when gifts of love are given and received. She probably went to school joyful, hopeful, eager. And now she's had innocence and trust stolen. Another harrowing image is of a mom with the ash cross on her forehead, because it was Ash Wednesday as well as Valentine's Day, and she's cradling another mom whose face is distorted in agony. The parents waited for hours to be reunited with their kids, or to learn they would never be. It was a day that was supposed to be filled with reverence and love.

The Tweets coming from the kids as they were barricaded inside the school were haunting. One was from a 14-year-old boy crouched under his desk. You can see that the classroom is dark and the front is empty; all the kids and the teachers are huddled on the ground in the back, with the lights off. There were kids hiding in lockers and closets, and had to be escorted out by SWAT members past their slain classmates.

And it's not rare. Last week I was reading an article about a little girl who was so traumatized by a shooting at her elementary school in 2016 that killed her friend, a sweet boy named Jacob who was the smallest child in their class, she could not return to school and has debilitating anxiety. She is anguished, and was diagnosed with PTSD. That shooting gained just a few moments of national attention since the number of casualties was small, and school shootings in our country have become so regular they don't cause us all to stand still in shock anymore. But it had deeply touched my little sister when she learned of it a few days later. She normally doesn't read the newspapers, but there was a picture of people dressed in superheroes costumes, and so she had assumed it would be fun. But it was about how mourners dressed up in them for Jacob's funeral as a way of paying tribute to him. The little girl in South Carolina who was Jacob's friend wrote a letter to Trump asking him what he was going to do to prevent school shootings from happening again. To her family's shock, she did receive a letter from him in response. He praised her for her bravery and thanked her for writing to him and Mrs. Trump, and told her that they loved children and wanted to keep them safe. After the initial astonishment wore off a few days later, she realized that Trump had never answered her question. He never explained how he planned on keeping kids safe from another gun shooting. So she wrote him a second letter asking for that answer. She still hasn't received a response.
A beautiful and touching post Ella.
 
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As Christians, many of you will have offered up your thoughts and prayers for those children killed and injured in today's tragedy. This is the 18th (or 19th?) school shooting since the beginning of the year.

With the greatest respect, may I also suggest that you direct some of your thoughts and prayers towards the protection of those children who will be injured and who will die in the next school shooting,
And the next
And the next
And the next
And...
 
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Well, let's do the math.

18÷45 = .4 or 40%.

.4÷100,000 = .000004 or .0004%.
So this is a good statistic youre saying? Do the reverse maths... 0.4 schools a day will have a shooting... or 2 schools a week (not incl weekends) And this is perhaps your problem. Where a statistic shows that .0004% of all schools will have a shooting everyday and the citizens of the USA are so exposed to child murder in their schools that this stat is regarded as rather good and not of any concern.
 
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So this is a good statistic youre saying?

No, but it is not high, which is what you were arguing.

Give it a rest.

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What can be done to prevent such tragic incidents ocurring with such frequency? Surely somethings got to give eventually.

He's the one that uses every thread on this to bash us about it. I grow tired of the self-righteous tut-tuting by a bunch of Europeans who ignore their own problems while trying to moralize to us.
 
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No, but it is not high, which is what you were arguing.



He's the one that uses every thread on this to bash us about it. I grow tired of the self-righteous tut-tuting by a bunch of Europeans who ignore their own problems while trying to moralize to us.
OK 2 schools shootings a week you state isnt high by your reckoning.
 
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What can be done to prevent such tragic incidents ocurring with such frequency? Surely somethings got to give eventually.
The only way america will have no more school shootings is if there are no more guns or no more schools.

My money is on that the schools will go first.
 
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No, but it is not high, which is what you were arguing.



He's the one that uses every thread on this to bash us about it. I grow tired of the self-righteous tut-tuting by a bunch of Europeans who ignore their own problems while trying to moralize to us.
No one is ignoring their own problems, but this thread is about a school shooting in the US.
The number of school shootings is not high you said. How many school shootings do you need to have before you call it high?
Jimmy D has already said it, but I'll say it again, give it a rest!
 
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No one is ignoring their own problems, but this thread is about a school shooting in the US.
The number of school shootings is not high you said. How many school shootings do you need to have before you call it high?
Jimmy D has already said it, but I'll say it again, give it a rest!
Leave him, I have him on ignore, anyway.
 
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He's the one that uses every thread on this to bash us about it. I grow tired of the self-righteous tut-tuting by a bunch of Europeans who ignore their own problems while trying to moralize to us.

Would you prefer their thought and prayers?
 
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Well, let's do the math.

18÷45 = .4 or 40%.

.4÷100,000 = .000004 or .0004%.
Yes, let's reduce dead children to numbers and statistics. That makes it easier to ignore the problem.
 
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Yes, let's reduce dead children to numbers and statistics. That makes it easier to ignore the problem.
Its stagerring... that 0.4 @Rion came up with means theres a 40% chance a shooting will occur in a school every day. I just dont get why thats not considered severely worrying or worse "not high" as @Rion describes it
 
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Yes, let's reduce dead children to numbers and statistics. That makes it easier to ignore the problem.

Remember, they're only "children" when they're still in the womb... once they breathe air, they're a statistic.
 
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