20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

[keras]

Is the cross not enough for you? Why would any Christian promote more sin offerings to complete with the new covenant?

Getting personal now! I have accepted Jesus Atoning sacrifice for my sins.

Your avoidance and failure to address the many scriptures that prove that there will be a new Temple and re-instated sacrifices, before Jesus Returns, is an indictment against you.

The New Covenant, Hebrews 8:8-12, makes no mention of sacrifices. This is not proof that there won't be animals killed for the purposes of cleansing and offerings in a new Temple, as so many prophesies tell us.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Yes it does.

Another question: Whether Revelations was written in 95 AD or 65AD, the 'binding of the beast' cannot be a prophecy since it would have occurred at Christ's ascension. Therefore is Revelation 20:1-2 recapitulating the past?

Im not sure what you mean by "recapitulating the past?" Your scripture says Satan was bound and so he was. Here is a quote. The Binding of Satan by Douglas Kelly

Revelation 20:1–3 says that a mighty angel from God binds the Devil for a thousand years. Specifically, verse 3 relates that he is bound from deceiving the nations during this period. Something happens to Satan’s ability to keep the nations of earth blinded from seeing who God is, and what His gospel means for them. As a result of Christ’s finished work in dying on the cross, in rising from the dead, in ascending to the Father, and in being crowned on the throne of glory, Satan lost his power to deceive the untold millions of pagans, whom he formerly kept blinded to God’s saving truth.

The ancient story of Job may give us some important insight into this massive reduction of Satan’s power over the heathen nations. Job 1:6–12 portrays Satan as possessing the ability to come into God’s immediate presence along with other angels, or “sons of God” (v.6). He used this place of power to cause great harm to Job. But according to what Christ says in the Gospels, Satan lost that privileged access to the heavenly courts as a result of the incarnation and work of Christ. In Luke 10:18–19, the seventy disciples return with great joy from their successful mission in preaching the gospel, healing the sick, and casting out demons. Christ then explains how they were able to accomplish these wonders: “He said to them, ‘I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven’” (v. 18). Jesus explains Satan’s fall in terms of Christian ministry: “Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you” (v. 19).

It is significant that the first beings to recognize the incarnate Christ, according to the gospel of Mark, were demons. Mark 1:24 and Luke 4:34 are among the passages that show the demons crying out in terror that the Holy One of God has come to torment them. Jesus explained that when He cast out demons by the Spirit of God (Matt. 12:28–29), it meant that the kingdom of God had come. In His work, He was binding the strong man (that is, the devil), who formerly had been keeping people in the dark and painful prison of unbelief, sin, and certain judgment.

After the Lord’s crucifixion and resurrection, and immediately before His ascension back to the Father, He commissioned the church to “go … and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (28:19). They would be able to do this because of Christ’s victory over Satan, who had long blinded the nations, for Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me’ (v. 18). Satan’s illegitimate power over the nations has been wrested from him, and placed into the hands of the legitimate Lord and Savior of the world. Now the Christian church can do its work; it can engage in successful mission all over the world, bringing the good news of freedom from captivity to those who had long been in chains because of sin and unbelief.​

 

[sovereigngrace]

Getting personal now! I have accepted Jesus Atoning sacrifice for my sins.

Your avoidance and failure to address the many scriptures that prove that there will be a new Temple and re-instated sacrifices, before Jesus Returns, is an indictment against you.

The New Covenant, Hebrews 8:8-12, makes no mention of sacrifices. This is not proof that there won't be animals killed for the purposes of cleansing and offerings in a new Temple, as so many prophesies tell us.

And “cleansing and offerings” for what?

 

[sovereigngrace]

Getting personal now! I have accepted Jesus Atoning sacrifice for my sins.

Your avoidance and failure to address the many scriptures that prove that there will be a new Temple and re-instated sacrifices, before Jesus Returns, is an indictment against you.

The New Covenant, Hebrews 8:8-12, makes no mention of sacrifices. This is not proof that there won't be animals killed for the purposes of cleansing and offerings in a new Temple, as so many prophesies tell us.

We should let Scripture speak for itself. Colossians 2:14 plainly declares, speaking of these Old Testament ordinances, “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

Q. When did/will the "blotting out the handwriting of ordinances" occur?

A. Christ "took it out of the way" by "nailing it to his cross.”

These ordinances embraced the old covenant civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law. They were finished at the cross.

When Christ made that final sacrifice for sin He satisfied all God’s holy demands for sin and uncleanness and thus Christ became the final propitiation and substitution for the sinner. Ephesians 2:15 also says, “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances.”

Jesus did away with any need or reliance upon the outward keeping of the old covenant religious system. The cross fulfilled forever God’s demand for a perfect once-for-all sacrifice.

Colossians 2:20-22 finally sums up the sums up the biblical position today: “Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?”

This is not talking about the moral law, it is talking about the ceremonial law. It is a redundant system. Christ took the whole old system away. The old Mosaic ceremonial law is completely gone. It is useless.

Christianity took us away from the old Mosaic ceremonial law completely. Those who argue for a return to the old system fail to see that it has been rendered obsolete through the new covenant.

Hebrews 7:18-19 makes clear: “For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”

This word “disannulling” is taken from the Greek word athetesis meaning cancellation.

The phrase “weakness and unprofitableness” used here to describe the old abolished system actually reads asthenes kai anopheles literally meaning: feeble and impotent useless and unprofitable.

It is hard to believe that any Christian would promote the return, on the new earth of all places, of such a hopeless discarded arrangement.

 

[keras]

So can you give me one single scripture to support your theory of Rev 20 of two resurrection days separated by 1000 literal years?

Revelation 20:4 plainly states; at the Return only the Trib martyrs will be resurrected.
Revelation 20:12 After the Millennium, all the dead will be raised to Judgment.

Calling these Bible facts a 'theory', shows how willing you are to avoid the truth.

Can you give me one single scripture to support your theory of Rev 20 of two judgment days separated by 1000 literal years?

Revelation 6:12-17 describes the Judgment of the nations. Isaiah 63:1-6
1010 years later: [the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath will be about 10 years before He Returns., then the 1000 year Millennium of Jesus as King of the world.]
Revelation 20:11-15 is the Judgment of every individual. Daniel 7:9-10

 

[keras]

And “cleansing and offerings” for what?

Read Ezekiel chapters 43 to 47 for yourself.
If you can't understand those prophesies, then you are beyond my help.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Revelation 20:4 plainly states; at the Return only the Trib martyrs will be resurrected.
Revelation 20:12 After the Millennium, all the dead will be raised to Judgment.

Calling these Bible facts a 'theory', shows how willing you are to avoid the truth.

Revelation 6:12-17 describes the Judgment of the nations. Isaiah 63:1-6
1010 years later: [the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath will be about 10 years before He Returns., then the 1000 year Millennium of Jesus as King of the world.]
Revelation 20:11-15 is the Judgment of every individual. Daniel 7:9-10

Did you even read what I wrote? Can you corroborate your opinion of Revelation 20 with other Scripture? You transpire to present your opinion of Revelation 20 as corroboration for your opinion of Revelation 20. That is ridiculous! I will take that as a clear admission that you have nothing. That is all you have. This supports my initial charge against Premil that it interprets the whole of scripture on the basis of its faulty understanding of this one highly-symbolic chapter. It is devoid of other biblical support.

Amils believe in interpreting scripture with scripture. This is a crucial hermeneutic.

This is more evidence why we should reject Premil as extra biblical.

Where does Revelation 6:12-17, Isaiah 63:1-6 or Daniel 7:9-10 mention your alleged future “thousand years”? You have clearly zero corroboration for your theory?

 

[sovereigngrace]

Read Ezekiel chapters 43 to 47 for yourself.
If you can't understand those prophesies, then you are beyond my help.

That was an old covenant conditional promise given by an old covenant prophet to the old covenant people which they failed to take a hold of.

Can I remind you that the new covenant replaced the old covenant? It has been rendered obsolete. It has no further purpose. The temple is gone forever. The animal sacrifices are gone forever. The old testament priesthood is gone forever. What has replaced it is far superior. It is better, more effective and longer lasting.

I feel sorry that you feel such a desperate need to promote and introduce such a failed arrangement on the new earth. It will never happen. It is all a great fantasy.

Amil believes the cross was the final sacrifice for sin. The ripping of the curtain in 2 signified that the temple was rendered redundant forever. Amils are satisfied with Christ’s atonement. They don’t need any further sin offerings.

 

[agapelove]

Revelation is a number of parallel camera views of the intra-advent period. They all conclude at the climactic second coming. Partial Preterism is right that the book relates to the past. Futurism is right that it relates to the future. It is apt to every generation in-between. The beast is that ongoing Antichrist spirit that has controlled the wicked in every generation. Satan governs that spirit.

Thank you that is helpful. That sounds a bit like a blend of historicism and idealism?

 

[sovereigngrace]

Thank you that is helpful. That sounds a bit like a blend of historicism and idealism.

Yes. True. It is probably the premier position in Amil circles today.

 

[agapelove]

Yes. True. It is probably the premier position in Amil circles today.

That makes a lot of sense, thank you!

 

[Bobber]

What is Satan said to be bound from? What type of chains or prison holds him - physical or spiritual?

If he was bound then he was bound. It seems you're trying to kind of water that down by making it seem he wasn't REALLY bound to make it fit your way of thinking. But the scriptures says he was bound.

 

[Marilyn C]

Where have I said that Christ is on earth now? Where does Revelation 20 say that He is on earth during the millennium?

You said -
Then after a thousand year sham of supposed submission to Christ the nations rise up in rebellion against him as the sand of the sea to surround the camp of the Saints. This debacle will never happen after Christ’s return. This is talking about our current ongoing era of imperfection.

Sorry I assumed you meant that the Lord was on earth. So you think because the Lord comes to earth, delivers Israel and then judges the nations as to how they treated them, that that is the end of His purposes. Is that how you see it?

For you see you have not taken into account God`s purposes through the Lord for the three groups - the Body of Christ, for Israel and the Nations. And those are all in time, and God has specific reasons for each.

BTW if you are talking about a `debacle,` well God could have fixed it all up quite early in history, not made Israel or the Body of Christ, if all He was interested in was fixing up Adam`s mess. BUT God has much greater plans and those I think you are not really aware of.

 

[Marilyn C]

True Israel has always been a remnant. We have been integrated into that chosen remnant. Natural Christ-rejecting Israel is of their father the devil. It is apostate. Salvation has moved from the nation (singular) to the nations (plural).

There is no scriptural proof of that. We, the Body of Christ are grafted into the `root` which is Christ. Why would God make an earthly nation full knowing they couldn`t live up to the law and then disbar them. No that is nonsense.

People pre the cross, Jews or Gentiles could come to God, as we see in scripture Jews & Gentiles turned to God, but they were still either Jews or Gentiles. It was only when the Lord revealed His fuller purpose for a heavenly nation that we come to understand about the Body of Christ. We don`t supplant anyone.

 

[Marilyn C]

Is the cross not enough for you? Why would any Christian promote more sin offerings to complete with the new covenant?

Those sin offerings never did anything but look towards the cross. They never saved anyone, but were a `teaching tool,` of God`s to show the reality of needing a blood sacrifice for sin.

Now that the Lord has given Himself a sacrifice for us we accept that for our substitute. However, WE are NOT the centre of God`s purposes - Christ is. Christ has more groups than just us. We are a heavenly nation, whereas Israel is an earthly nation.

Thus when the Lord comes and delivers Israel from their enemies, then He will pour out upon them the spirit of grace, (Zech. 12: 10) and those people will recognise Him. They will mourn and later celebrate their deliverance. Then comes the time that God has been preparing for that Israel will rule over the nations of the world as He desires. The nations (sheep) are given the opportunity to learn of God`s ways without Satan and his fallen angels interfering.

God had great purposes - heavenly and earthly.

You seem to want it all tidied up quick smart, whereas God is long suffering not willing that any perish. The sacrifices in the time to Israel ruling the nations will also be a `teaching tool` by God to show the people the need of a blood sacrifice and how it was fulfilled by Christ.

You are trying to imagine people on earth after we have gone, and you seem to think that they have the same benefits as we do. No other group is made like Christ with His divine nature or will have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Others will only have the laws of God on their heart for they are an earthly people.

Let us appreciate all the blessing we have in Christ as the Body of Christ.

 

[Marilyn C]

What is Satan said to be bound from? What type of chains or prison holds him - physical or spiritual?

Bound by the word of God which operates in all realms.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Thank you that is helpful. That sounds a bit like a blend of historicism and idealism?

I think Im one of those? Or a hybrid thereof?

 

[keras]

You transpire to present your opinion of Revelation 20 as corroboration for your opinion of Revelation 20. That is ridiculous!

It is perfectly correct to show Bible verses that plainly state a truth such as Revelation 20 does with the forthcoming 1000 year reign of King Jesus. Six times for emphasis!
Any plain, clearly put Bible statement is sufficient to prove a point and requires no further corroboration. You want to deny what Revelation 20 says, why?
Not a good look for you to deny scriptures like that.

However, there is other Bible confirmation of the 7000 year Plan of God for humans. Hosea 6:2 is one and Luke 13:32 is another.
But the best proof is the addition of the given time periods in the OT, that add to exactly 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, then another 2000 years of this Church age and finally the 1000 years of the reign of Jesus on earth.
A total of 7000 years, the parallel of the 7 'days' of Creation.

Amil believes the cross was the final sacrifice for sin. The ripping of the curtain in 2 signified that the temple was rendered redundant forever. Amils are satisfied with Christ’s atonement. They don’t need any further sin offerings.

And I agree too, that Jesus Atoned for our sins.
But do you Amils know the Mind of God? How can you say He doesn't want offerings again?
I have presented several prophesies that say there will be a new Temple and the Lords people will make sacrifices and offerings in it.
To simply ignore or dismiss all those scriptures is a very serious matter. I would go so far as to say; those who reject God's Word wholesale as you do, their Eternal security is at risk.

 

[sovereigngrace]

It is perfectly correct to show Bible verses that plainly state a truth such as Revelation 20 does with the forthcoming 1000 year reign of King Jesus. Six times for emphasis!
Any plain, clearly put Bible statement is sufficient to prove a point and requires no further corroboration. You want to deny what Revelation 20 says, why?
Not a good look for you to deny scriptures like that.

However, there is other Bible confirmation of the 7000 year Plan of God for humans. Hosea 6:2 is one and Luke 13:32 is another.
But the best proof is the addition of the given time periods in the OT, that add to exactly 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, then another 2000 years of this Church age and finally the 1000 years of the reign of Jesus on earth.
A total of 7000 years, the parallel of the 7 'days' of Creation.

And I agree too, that Jesus Atoned for our sins.
But do you Amils know the Mind of God? How can you say He doesn't want offerings again?
I have presented several prophesies that say there will be a new Temple and the Lords people will make sacrifices and offerings in it.
To simply ignore or dismiss all those scriptures is a very serious matter. I would go so far as to say; those who reject God's Word wholesale as you do, their Eternal security is at risk.

You force a faulty meaning on Rev 20 and make the rest of the Bible fit into that faulty meaning. What is more, your theology contradicts numerous repeated explicit scripture that shows a climatic coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. What is more, your theology contradicts numerous repeated explicit scripture that shows a climatic coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The 7000 years theory is just that a theory. It is not biblical.

Christ is the final sacrifice for sin!

John 1:29 records: “John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”

Hebrews 9:26 confirms: “now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

1 John 3:5 confirms: “And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.”

Hebrews 10:18 says, “there is no more offering for sin.”

Hebrews 10:26 says, “there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.”

New Testament Scripture says there are no more offerings for sin. You say there are. Who do we go with? Amils and Postmils choose Jesus over your flawed opinions.

The cross does not seem adequate, satisfactory and final enough for you. You needs to promote the reinstitution of multiple additional sin offerings.

 

[sovereigngrace]

It is perfectly correct to show Bible verses that plainly state a truth such as Revelation 20 does with the forthcoming 1000 year reign of King Jesus. Six times for emphasis!
Any plain, clearly put Bible statement is sufficient to prove a point and requires no further corroboration. You want to deny what Revelation 20 says, why?
Not a good look for you to deny scriptures like that.

However, there is other Bible confirmation of the 7000 year Plan of God for humans. Hosea 6:2 is one and Luke 13:32 is another.
But the best proof is the addition of the given time periods in the OT, that add to exactly 2000 years from Adam to Abraham, 2000 years Abraham to Jesus, then another 2000 years of this Church age and finally the 1000 years of the reign of Jesus on earth.
A total of 7000 years, the parallel of the 7 'days' of Creation.

And I agree too, that Jesus Atoned for our sins.
But do you Amils know the Mind of God? How can you say He doesn't want offerings again?
I have presented several prophesies that say there will be a new Temple and the Lords people will make sacrifices and offerings in it.
To simply ignore or dismiss all those scriptures is a very serious matter. I would go so far as to say; those who reject God's Word wholesale as you do, their Eternal security is at risk.

Because you have zero corroboration, you steal passages that relates to Christ’s resurrection to support your faulty opinion.

Both Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32 describes Christ’s glorious defeat of sin, death, Satan and Hades.