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*** 11th fact *** about GOD - revealed by the LAST End Time Prophet Matt Marriott

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by MattMarriott, Dec 26, 2008.

  1. MoonLancer

    MoonLancer The Moon is a reflection of the MorningStar

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    This statement is as logical and irrefutable as the one the op. the reason it is this way is not because of fey or god, but how the statements are constructed.

    Running around stating that this is a logical irrefutable argument is silly. It is irrefutable, but it is not logical. Its fallacious.
     
  2. Nathan45

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    Doesn't follow even if you accept the premises.

    premise 1) is semantically meaningless.
    premise 2) doesn't imply the conclusion

    Just because Creation's know less than God doesn't mean that they can't know the HOW of those nine facts. You have to actually show that God prevented anyone from learning the HOW of those 9 facts or that they are inherently unknowable.

    Also, creations knowing less than God says nothing about their intelligence and ability to learn.
    His assertion is that the nine facts cannot be known about, not whether creations at the present time know them. Therefore it's even harder to prove than simply showing ignorance.

    Your logic is bad, even with made up premises.
     
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  3. juvenissun

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    On the other hand, Something is logically true does not mean it is scientifically true. Since we can see Fey and we can test Fey. So, none of the substituted statement is true. The problem is that you degraded the assumption into a testable statement.
     
  4. juvenissun

    juvenissun ... and God saw that it was good.

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    A > B and A so B.

    We do not have to prove B so A. B is in no position to argue with A. Otherwise, B could be A, which violates the premise.

    Note: A: God; B: creations.
     
  5. MaxP

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    I would argue, but this isn't really the thread for it..
    You can thumb through this if you're looking for the logic of God:
    http://www.newadvent.org/summa/
     
  6. MaxP

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    So, you prove the premise based on the assumption the premise is true?
    Also, your logic is, again, incomplete.
     
  7. MaxP

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    :thumbsup:
     
  8. MoonLancer

    MoonLancer The Moon is a reflection of the MorningStar

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    theirs no such thing as logically true. Their is logical or fallacious.
    But Fey (as in the selee and unselee) fit all these statements. So no you wouldn't able to see them or test for them.

    show how its any diffrent then if i one replaces God with Fey? what changes other then the subject.
    assumptions are meaningless if you cant test them. by meaningless i mean they speak about nothing substantive.

    Please address how replacing God with Fey changes the statement? God is just an excuse for intellectual laziness
     
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  9. MoonLancer

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    1. Fey are the creators of all forms of life.
    2. Fey are the creators of the Universe.
    3. Fey are omnipotent.
    4. Fey are omnipresent.
    5. Fey are omniscient.
    6. Fey created all forms of life perfect.
    7. Fey created only one of those forms with Free Will.
    8. Fey will judge each Human for what he did with his Free Will.
    9. Fey will judge Humankind for what they did with
    10. Fey created Humans without the capacity to have ANY glimpse into the HOW for ANY of those nine facts.
     
  10. MoonLancer

    MoonLancer The Moon is a reflection of the MorningStar

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    It just occurred to me that the list at number 10 uses the word Fact. Juv, your statements about it not requiring scientific evidence is void when the word "fact" is brought into play. the op claims these are facts. how can they be facts without evidence to go along with it?
     
  11. MaxP

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    BECAUSE GOD SAYS SO GEEEZ.

    Just like God told me the other day that we all have invisible monkey tails on our rear ends. It's a fact.
     
  12. Hespera

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    Thanks MaxP you are right that this isnt the place for my comment! Gotta watch staying on topic.
     
  13. MaxP

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    No prob, I'd be willing to discuss it in another thread or in PMs if you wish though.



    Another thing about Matt Marriott, why him? What did God reveal to him? Why is he a prophet?
     
  14. MoonLancer

    MoonLancer The Moon is a reflection of the MorningStar

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    proof for evolution!
     
  15. juvenissun

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    Of course the premise it true. Particularly when you can do nothing about it. Either God does not exist, or God exists. If a followup discussion is desirable, then one of the choices has to be a true premise. I don't see anything wrong with this reasoning. And I don't see anyway to go around it.
     
  16. juvenissun

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    Fact mean something which is always true. If these are not facts, then there would be no fact. You tell me anything, I can argue that it is not a fact. Do you exist? Is your existence a fact? I can argue you do not, in fact, exist.

    I admit that if I wrote it, I won't use this word simply tried to avoid complications like the one you raised. But, hey, if this word is used, I can also defend it.
     
  17. MoonLancer

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    Your definition is way off base. no wonder.


    fact n.
    1.
    Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
    2.
    a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
    b. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
    c. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
    3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
    4. Law The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.

    American heritage dictionary


    fact Noun
    1. an event or thing known to have happened or existed
    2. a truth that can be proved from experience or observation
    3. a piece of information
    4. after or before the fact Criminal law after or before the commission of the offence
    5. as a matter of fact or in fact in reality or actuality
    6. fact of life an inescapable truth, esp. an unpleasant one See also facts of life [Latin factum something done]


    Collins essential English dictionary

    both taken from thefreedictionary.com
     
  18. juvenissun

    juvenissun ... and God saw that it was good.

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    Here you go again. Could you explain things to me by your own words? Just once. Please. Dictionary, Wikipedia, are useless, sometimes.
     
  19. MaxP

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    I disagree but aight. :cool:
    Just had to say it, but different topic.

    Main point: Ju, your so-called logic makes no sense. Would you present it again, complete?
     
  20. MoonLancer

    MoonLancer The Moon is a reflection of the MorningStar

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    for someone who needs to make up definitions to make thier arguments work, you would say something like that. what your asking me to do is make up bs. I dont bs. I will note that dictionary are not useless. they help establish the language we use. Your mis using 'fact" or defending its misuse and i have evidence to back my claim. You however look rather foolish at the moment.

    that's fine.
     
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