No Ten Commandments before Sinai
““The LORD our God made a covenant with us at Mount Sinai. The LORD did not make this covenant with our ancestors, but with all of us who are alive today.” (Deuteronomy 5:2–3)
Well Dave what you have posted does not support your claims as it only says that the LORD made a covenant with God's peopel at Sinai. Where does it say there was no 10 commandmetns before Sinai? Again what does God's WORD say?
GOD'S LAW (TORAH) BEFORE SINAI
GENESIS 26:5 Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my
laws.
Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong LAWS - H8451; תּורה תּרה; tôrâh tôrâh; to-raw', to-raw' From H3384; a precept or statute,
especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
Abraham kept God's TORAH which includes God's LAW (10 Commandments)
and the sacrificial laws for remission of SIN and
SIN offerings.
GENESIS 22:6-8; 13
[6], And Abraham took the wood of the
burnt offering, and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
[7], And Isaac spoke to Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a
burnt offering?
[8], And Abraham said, My son,
God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
[13], And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and
Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
Burnt offereings were made for remission of SIN. What is SIN? Sin is disobedience to God's WORD and includes breaking God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4). It is God's WORD and his LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN (Romans 3:20)
ROMANS 3:19-20
[19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
[20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
NOW if GOD tells us that Abraham kept his TORAH (LAWS) then is God's 4th Commandment not part of the TORAH?
Indeed it is. Where does it say in God's WORD that Abraham or any of God's people before MOSES did NOT Keep God's Sabbath?
God says Abraham
kept TORAH (10 Commandments and sin offereings).
You say Abraham
DID NOT keep TORAH (This includes God's 4th Commandment). Who do we believe God or man?
Now if you BELIEVE Abraham did NOT keep God's SABBATH (part of TORAH) then please show the scriptures proving that Abraham did not keep the Sabbath or God's LAW which is part of the TORAH?
God's WORD shows God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the CEREMONIAL laws and ORDINANCES for SIN offerings (TORAH) were kept BEFORE Mt Sinai.
CONCLUSION: God's people before Mt Sinai followed him and kept his laws (TORAH). God's Sabbath is a part of God's law (TORAH). There is NO scripture that says God's people including Abraham did NOT keep God's Sabbath. Genesis shows that God's people including Abraham kept his law (TORAH) which includes the Sabbath.
Cain was punished by God for
Murder (6th Commandment Exo 20:13)
GENESIS 4:8-13
[8], And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that
Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
[9], And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
[10], And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
[11], And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
[12], When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
[13], And Cain said unto the LORD,
My punishment is greater than I can bear.
links to....
1 JOHN 3:12-15
[12], Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
[13], Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
[14], We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
[15], Whosoever hateth his brother is a
murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). CAIN was punished for the SIN of MURDER when he slew his brother Abel.
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In Genesis we also read about Joseph in Egypt as a servant being tempted to commit
adultery with Potifer’s wife
GENESIS 39:7-9
[7], And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
[8],
But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
[9], There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back anything from me but thee, because thou art his wife:
how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
If Joseph did NOT know God’s LAW then
how did he know he was SINNING against God by committing adultery with Potifer’s wife?
CONCLUSION: SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). Joseph knew that to commit ADULTERY (7th Commandment; Exodus 20:14) was SIN against God and refused not to SIN.
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The Mosaic laws for remission of sin (SACRIFICIAL SIN OFFERINGS) were practiced BEFORE Sinai....
GENESIS 4:4
[4], And Abel, he also
brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof.
And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.
GENESIS 8:20
[20], And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl,
and offered burnt offerings on the altar
SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 Commandments) please read Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:11. God's LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20) SIN offereings were only practiced in the OLD Covenant for the remission or forgiveness of SIN (Breaking God's 10 Commandments) If God's people did not have God's LAW why are they offering SIN offereings to God if these laws were only known about in Mt Sinai?
Abraham and his son practiced and knew about sin offerings...
GENESIS 22:7-8
[7], And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? [8], And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Exodus 10:25
[25], And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.
CONCLUSION: BEFORE the written WORD of GOD there was the SPOKEN WORD of GOD handed down from Adam and Eve and spoken by God to his people. God's LAW (10 commandments) and SIN existed BEFORE Mt Sinai, SIN is disobeying God's WORD and breaking his law (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11). From Abel through to Abraham before MOSES we see God's people obeying God's LAW and providing sin offerings to God for breaking his law. If there was no law (TORAH) there would be no sin and no need for sin offerings. We could keep going here. Happy to do so if you like just let me know? Only God's WORD is true brother and we should believe and follow it.
Sorry David God's WORD disagrees with you.
