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Featured 100%, absolute, irrefutable proof of God's existence

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by John Helpher, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:23 PM.

  1. John Helpher

    John Helpher John 3:16

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    Hi all. This video is about the plank satellite and how it measured the CMB (cosmic microwave background). The data demonstrates that the universe rotates on an axis, with our solar system being the center of that axis. I'd like to hear what others think. Have you heard of this before? To me it is encouraging information because it's proof that the earth is not just some random, purposeless speck in the vastness of a bleak universe.

     
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  2. JackRT

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    While that is interesting it is hardly irrefutable proof of anything.
     
  3. John Helpher

    John Helpher John 3:16

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    Ok, would you mind elaborating?
     
  4. JackRT

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    Firstly, in science there is no such concept as "proof" because proof requires that we have complete knowledge and our knowledge of the universe is just in the beginning stages. Secondly, we don't even know if we are the only universe.
     
  5. John Helpher

    John Helpher John 3:16

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    Did you watch the video? What did you think about the data from the Planck satellite?
     
  6. childeye 2

    childeye 2 Well-Known Member

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    The scientific method and the evidence is compelling. I only wish the narrator had used the term faith correctly.
     
  7. John Helpher

    John Helpher John 3:16

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    Would you mind elaborating on how you think he used it incorrectly?
     
  8. childeye 2

    childeye 2 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for asking. This misunderstanding stems mostly from not understanding the term God. The term God is an axiom denoting the source of the energy that created all things. The term "faith" in scripture is a term that implies that the object of faith (God) be esteemed as "trustworthy", as in good pertaining to the Character of a Person. By contrast, the way the narrator applied the term, "faith" implies believing God exists without any proof that he or it does. Since the term God is an axiom, it requires no such type of belief or assessment as to whether God exists or not. After all, if there is no source for the energy that created all things we would not be here. Only when God is regarded as an intellect in a moral/immoral application can faith/trust be applied to God.

    Example: The term faith in scripture always means trust in or believe in. Hence when Jesus says he who believes in me has eternal life, he does not mean to imply that one should believe that he exists, since he's standing there saying it and he certainly exists. He's saying, he who "trusts" in me has eternal life. Righteousness is by grace through faith/trust in God.
     
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  9. JackRT

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    Faith is not the opposite of doubt, faith is the opposite of certainty.
     
  10. John Helpher

    John Helpher John 3:16

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    What is this comment in reference to?
     
  11. John Helpher

    John Helpher John 3:16

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    Ok so you're saying there's not much point in referring to faith in God if it's just a matter of saying a God exists?
     
  12. JackRT

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    Faith. Knowing what it isn't can be helpful.
     
  13. SkyWriting

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    The problem stems from the 100% claim.....which is already an impossible standard.
    Nothing is 100% absolute proof of anything. And for sure, nothing in this video.

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  14. John Helpher

    John Helpher John 3:16

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    Does that mean you watched it?
     
  15. Kenny'sID

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    Had I needed proof I'd a watched the video, but glad it works for some.

    Fact is, it takes something to make/create something, and a God that always was, fills that requirement for me. While POOF! and a universe and all in it, appears out of nowhere, for no reason, does not....it actually sounds completely ridiculous.
     
  16. JackRT

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    My problem with that is we postulate a God that can't be physically sensed or measured whose very existence cannot be proven but has always existed and yet we say that God created everything physical. And then we say that our physical universe which can be sensed and measured owes its existence to this hypothetical God. Why can't the universe itself have always existed?
     
  17. Kenny'sID

    Kenny'sID Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Oh, I could easily get off on the same doubts for the same reasons, among others, but I think that is why the following is so important:

    Proverbs 3:5-6 King James Version (KJV)
    5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

    Logic is good, but there's a point where faith takes precedent...for me anyway.

    Then there is the K.I.S.S. factor. :)
     
  18. JackRT

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    KISS? Yes! That is why I find panentheism so attractive.
     
  19. Kenny'sID

    Kenny'sID Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Not familiar with Pantheism, I just hope it's not a girl and you missed the whole point of KISS. :D
     
  20. fwGod

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    Faith is a positive and certainty is a positive. Therefore, faith cannot be the opposite of certainty.
     
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