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“We Can’t Say Black Lives Matter Until We Say Unborn Lives Mather.

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by Johnboy60, Jan 20, 2021.

  1. Johnboy60

    Johnboy60 Looking For Interesting News.

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    North Carolina Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson: “We Can’t Say Black Lives Matter Until We Say Unborn Lives Matter”

    Robinson, the first African American to be elected lieutenant governor of North Carolina, urged Americans to treat every human life as valuable during the 27th annual North Carolina Rally and March for Life on Saturday in front of the state Capitol, The News & Observer reports.

    North Carolina Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson: “We Can’t Say Black Lives Matter Until We Say Unborn Lives Matter”
     
  2. Nithavela

    Nithavela Killin' time livin' with it

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    I don't see the correlation.
     
  3. High Fidelity

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    Apparently 'all lives' don't matter until black lives matter.

    This seems to be another mutation of the same argument.
     
  4. Larnievc

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    I don’t see how that follows.
     
  5. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Those discordian speech writers know no bounds.
     
  6. section9+1

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    I'm waiting for black lives to start mattering to black people....
     
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  7. Nithavela

    Nithavela Killin' time livin' with it

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    Wasn't me this time.
     
  8. Akita Suggagaki

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    "Black lives matter" needs to be said because of systemic racism.

    "Fetal lives matter" needs to be said because of another "ism". Some people do not see life in the womb as equal status to life beyond the womb. For lake of a better word, "anti-fetalist".
    And yet, somehow "fetal" can dehumanize a bit. It is any mammal in the womb.

    Anyway. Black lives, unborn lives, two very different "isms".
     
  9. ThatRobGuy

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    The controversy surrounding the name "Black Lives Matter" is multi-faceted, both in terms of the advocacy, as well as the opposition to it.

    Name and mission ambiguity creates a series of complications.

    Is "Black Lives Matter" slogan, a movement, a series of political and economic ideologies, an organization? The answer tends to be different based on who's asking, and who's answering.

    ...and "opposition to BLM" can come from both racial and non-racial sentiments. For instance, you have people who oppose them because of some of their mission statements surrounding things unrelated to the stated cause of protecting black lives from police brutality and systemic injustice:
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    "Dismantling the patriarchy" doesn't seem to be be directly related to the semantically stated mission implied by their title...and is more of a postmodernist feminism thing (which a non-racist can be opposed to)...much like one doesn't have to be a racist to oppose a group for wanting to dismantle capitalism...and certain chapters have stated the goal of "disrupting the western-prescribed nuclear family unit"...one doesn't have to be a racist to oppose that sentiment either.

    But then there are those who oppose it purely for racist reasons...or ones that sure seem that way on the surface. For instance, the people who immediately rebuttal with "now now, ALL lives matter"...which is about as disingenuous as heckling women at a Susan G Komen Breast Cancer Awareness event saying "hey now!, fighting against ALL cancer matters!"


    It's easier to gauge which place a "pro" or "anti" sentiment comes from when the "ideological profile" is more focused and precise. The more broad the ideological profile gets, the harder it is to determine what place support or opposition is coming from.

    For instance:
    If someone started an group called "End Baby Seal Clubbing", and across the various chapters the stated goals were various combinations of the following:
    - "End Abuse of Baby Seals"
    - "Make Drunk Driving legal"
    - "Provide free meals to the homeless"
    - "Promote gay rights"
    - "Bring corporal punishment back to schools"

    It gets tougher to tell why someone may be supporting or opposing the movement...because both support and opposition could both be coming from a good or bad place.

    Is a person supporting it because their local chapter is big on the "provide free meals" portion, and they're someone who cares about the poor? Or are they supporting it because they're an "old school" person who likes the idea of bringing back corporal punishment? Or are they just supporting it purely for the semantically described purpose of protecting seals?

    If a person claims they are opposing it, is it because they really don't care about baby seals?, or is it coming from a place of being very opposed to drunk driving? or is it because they hold animus toward gay people?


    That's the issue of having a group/movement/etc... promoting too many non-overlapping ideologies simultaneously.
     
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  10. Ironhold

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    A major controversy in regards to legal abortion in America is the greatly disproportionate number of African-American women who seek abortions compared to other races. Many opponents of legal abortion have gone so far as to essentially declare that legal abortion is nothing less than a "genocide" against African-Americans, and they follow this up by alleging that abortion proponent Margaret Sanger was in favor of eugenics & so wanted this to happen.
     
  11. Larnievc

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    Don’t get me wrong I’m aware of what a terrible place America can be for black people.

    I was more confused because the implication was if one problem is not addressed the other one should not be.

    Why not both?
     
  12. Whyayeman

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    Why not indeed? Barrack Obama remarked during his first presidential campaign that presidents had to be able to more than one thing at a time.

    I think that conflating these disparate controversies only muddies the waters when what is needed in your country is the clear-eyed intelligence which mobilises the ability to keep separate issues separate.
     
  13. JackRT

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    If my wife comes to me in obvious pain and asks "Do you love me?" an answer of "I love everyone ." would be truthful but hurtful and cruel in the moment. If a co-worker comes to me upset and says "My father just died." an answer of "Everyone's parents die." would be truthful but hurtful and cruel in the moment. So when a friend speaks up in a time of obvious pain and hurt and says "Black lives matter." an answer of "All lives matter." would be truthful but hurtful and cruel in the moment. ~~~ Doug Williford
     
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  14. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

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    Yes, I've been told this. So I researched her. Thanks to her women were able to get BC. So they didn't have back-alley abortions.
     
  15. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

    CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN CT Scans shows my dad's cancer is gone.

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    In America, This last year has proven even more. We don't care enough about the born. Why would we care for a clump of cells or fetus. Or any person ( white or any color).
     
  16. Chrystal-J

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    Do pre-born black lives matter? I say yes.
     
  17. Whyayeman

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    In Europe, some will be surprised to learn, we take the Black Lives Matter pretty seriously. The canard that the movement is some kind of far left conspiracy has no traction here. I think because left wing politics is not demonised in the way it appears to be in the USA we easily distinguish the two movements.

    How seriously we take it is shown at every English Premier League football match when all players and officials go down on one knee before every match. Bear in mind that quite a few of these young men are millionaires and not notorious Revolutionaries.

    If you see a red flag it is likely to be waved by a Manchester United fan!
     
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  18. JackRT

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    A question for you. In the past the UK and Europe had a serious problem with soccer hooligans. Is that still a thing?
     
  19. Zergling Rush

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    What makes you think they don't?
     
  20. Moral Orel

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    So, a baby seal walks into a club.
     
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