‘Mini AOC’ Doxxed And Threatened

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No, I also blame those on the left, but I blame her parents too.

To each his own I guess but it's misplaced blame to blame the parents since in America we raise our children to speak their mind but now with all this PC stuff the left are the only ones allowed to speak their minds and they have become utterly violent.
 
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Did you happen to see them beat up the young conservative reporter the other day?
Maybe it was only shown on Fox News.
Fair and balanced as usual.
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"them" - was that the entire Left?

Did the right wing media talk about how leaked chats from the Proud Boys show that they plotted injury and possibly murder in order to claim self-defense? I would post a link but the language by the Proud Boys is too profane.


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There’s a reason the Daily Caller and company couldn’t find much evidence of liberal support for antifa: Despite the right’s effort to affix the term leftist to everyone from Joe Biden to Chairman Mao, there’s a vast ideological gulf between mainstream American liberals and antifa, an anarchist group that justifies its violence by rejecting the legitimacy of the state. Historically, in fact, the revolutionary left has loathed liberals, who generally support the reform—not the overthrow—of existing political and economic institutions. Which helps explain why many of the journalists antifa has attacked aren’t conservatives at all.
I see the same in this story (the OP). "The Left" is accused of calling in death threats when we don't even know exactly who called the alleged threats in or how many there were.
 
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"them" - was that the entire Left?

Did the right wing media talk about how leaked chats from the Proud Boys show that they plotted injury and possibly murder in order to claim self-defense? I would post a link but the language by the Proud Boys is too profane.


Violence Begets Violence.
 
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Violence Begets Violence.
Yep. But blaming an entire political spectrum of beliefs for the act of death threats to 'mini AOC' (alleged) is inappropriate. The entire right would then be responsible for all acts of violence by the Proud Boys, or by folks such as Cesar Sayoc.
 
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Yep. But blaming an entire political spectrum of beliefs for the act of death threats to 'mini AOC' (alleged) is inappropriate. The entire right would then be responsible for all acts of violence by the Proud Boys, or by folks such as Cesar Sayoc.

The phrase violence begets violence is because it actually does. You cannot respond to violence through the use of violence and have a good end. You also much condemn all violence, no matter the side.

We don't have names for these hooded and helmeted group who cover their faces and attack those with conservative political views, other than to say "the left".

Sure, there's BLM and Antifa, but I'm sure those aren't the only groups that are committing violence...

3 years ago I was told I had to stay home and could not go hear a conservative political candidate because of the violence that was being committed against attendees, by people "on the left"

names and faces would be great, but we don't know who they are. People like Sarah Sanders and her family were thrown out of a restaurant and chased down by patrons and restaurant owner alike.. normal people "on the left".

So we don't know, because we can't say, who is doing the violence, all we can do is condemn it. because if it doesn't stop we will see civil war in this country again.
 
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The phrase violence begets violence is because it actually does. You cannot respond to violence through the use of violence and have a good end. You also much condemn all violence, no matter the side.

We don't have names for these hooded and helmeted group who cover their faces and attack those with conservative political views, other than to say "the left".

Sure, there's BLM and Antifa, but I'm sure those aren't the only groups that are committing violence...

3 years ago I was told I had to stay home and could not go hear a conservative political candidate because of the violence that was being committed against attendees, by people "on the left"

names and faces would be great, but we don't know who they are. People like Sarah Sanders and her family were thrown out of a restaurant and chased down by patrons and restaurant owner alike.. normal people "on the left".

So we don't know, because we can't say, who is doing the violence, all we can do is condemn it. because if it doesn't stop we will see civil war in this country again.

And I clearly said several times that no one should receive death threats. Never once did I advocate violence.

But I also do not agree with blaming the entire Left for those death threats, which is what the OP is doing. Reread what I wrote.
Whether people "on the Left" were committing violence against attendees of the rally you wanted to go to is just hearsay as you present it along the lines of "people say.' We do have video of Trump supporters committing violence against protesters and Trump egging it on.
Violence on both sides is not okay, and against the law. Blaming the entire Left for the alleged death threats is also not okay.
 
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Blaming the entire Left for the alleged death threats is also not okay.

sorry the quote didn't tag you properly, but this is what I'm responding to.

If we had names, or groups to name, such as you have with the "proud boys" that has a membership of I don't know, maybe 10 thousand, then we would name them.

But since we don't have anything but masked left wingers, we condemn the violence being committed by those on the left, not the entire left, but those doing violence and promoting such.

To condemn us for condemning violence, is to actively attempt to promote their cause, since they are using you to hide behind, it's why they cover their faces.

It's classic guerilla warfare tactics being used.
 
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Did the right wing media talk about how leaked chats from the Proud Boys show that they plotted injury and possibly murder in order to claim self-defense? I would post a link but the language by the Proud Boys is too profane.


related article:

Conservatives Conjure Up Liberal Support for Antifa Violence

There’s a reason the Daily Caller and company couldn’t find much evidence of liberal support for antifa: Despite the right’s effort to affix the term leftist to everyone from Joe Biden to Chairman Mao, there’s a vast ideological gulf between mainstream American liberals and antifa, an anarchist group that justifies its violence by rejecting the legitimacy of the state. Historically, in fact, the revolutionary left has loathed liberals, who generally support the reform—not the overthrow—of existing political and economic institutions. Which helps explain why many of the journalists antifa has attacked aren’t conservatives at all.
I see the same in this story (the OP). "The Left" is accused of calling in death threats when we don't even know exactly who called the alleged threats in or how many there were.

Didn't hear about it?
M-Bob
 
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sorry the quote didn't tag you properly, but this is what I'm responding to.

If we had names, or groups to name, such as you have with the "proud boys" that has a membership of I don't know, maybe 10 thousand, then we would name them.

But since we don't have anything but masked left wingers, we condemn the violence being committed by those on the left, not the entire left, but those doing violence and promoting such.

To condemn us for condemning violence, is to actively attempt to promote their cause, since they are using you to hide behind, it's why they cover their faces.

It's classic guerilla warfare tactics being used.

It seems to me that you are being disingenuous here, Hazeleiponi.
I never condemned you ("us") for condemning violence. Reread what I wrote again.

What I am condemning is blaming the entire Left for it. Classic guerilla warfare tactics are being used by those who condemn the entire Left for the alleged death threats against an 8 year old.
If that is okay, then so is condemning the entire Right for Cesar Supoc is okay.

So yes or no, do you believe it is okay to blame the entire left for the death threats like the OP did?
 
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So yes or no, do you believe it is okay to blame the entire left for the death threats like the OP did?

No it is not the entire left.
Just a nasty little portion are they.
M-Bob
 
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What I am condemning is blaming the entire Left for it. Classic guerilla warfare tactics are being used by those who condemn the entire Left for the alleged death threats against an 8 year old.
If that is okay, then so is condemning the entire Right for Cesar Supoc is okay.

So yes or no, do you believe it is okay to blame the entire left for the death threats like the OP did?

It's the culture today. I can think of many times in which 'trump supporters' were labeled with everything under the sun too. They hate migrants is a more recent one. Their racist, homophobic, and the list goes on. Classic guerilla warfare is the 'cool' thing to do today. You see it everywhere today in the media and no one is immune.

Some of her more nuttier and dangerous supporters no doubt threatened the family. All these politicians have nuts supporting them. It's part of human nature, but today due to the thirst for this drama it's played up. Yes, today we tend to blame the entire thing on the politician or their party. The questioning that reality is rather naive, and enables these idiots to continue. They give them cover, and it happens all over the place. You see this all the time. It's sad really. There is no democrat or republican immune from this.

Families like mini oac do take a risk of this. No doubt her family felt they wouldn't come after a child, but people recently have done it more than once to other kids. Kids are no longer off limits for the most part. They should be, but since dangerous characters are enabled due to the thirst of drama from media sources? It's honestly not safe for anyone to come out into the limelight.

I have seen comedians come out and say they will no longer do their acts in many venues. People can't handle it. The spirit and context of even humor - even when you know it's humor - is a big no-no today.

I honestly think the arrogant nutcases love the fact people walk around on eggshells - it gets them off on a power trip in their heads. lol they don't need the camera in their face on the evening news! Just the fact their acts are shown all over the place? They feel vindicated. It's a sick dynamic.
 
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It seems to me that you are being disingenuous here, Hazeleiponi.
I never condemned you ("us") for condemning violence. Reread what I wrote again.

What I am condemning is blaming the entire Left for it. Classic guerilla warfare tactics are being used by those who condemn the entire Left for the alleged death threats against an 8 year old.
If that is okay, then so is condemning the entire Right for Cesar Supoc is okay.

So yes or no, do you believe it is okay to blame the entire left for the death threats like the OP did?

I absolutely was not being "disingenuous".. but, I am tired and this is pointless really. I've said my piece, and you've said yours..

I do agree with HannahT's post #33 in this thread..

ttyl..
 
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I absolutely was not being "disingenuous".. but, I am tired and this is pointless really. I've said my piece, and you've said yours..

I do agree with HannahT's post #33 in this thread..

ttyl..
Perhaps we are talking past each other?
 
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It's the culture today. I can think of many times in which 'trump supporters' were labeled with everything under the sun too. They hate migrants is a more recent one. Their racist, homophobic, and the list goes on. Classic guerilla warfare is the 'cool' thing to do today. You see it everywhere today in the media and no one is immune.
There is a problem when people support someone who has said racist things and whose actions or decisions show that racism. Trump has. Disagreeing with him and being critical of his supporters for backing him is not the same as lumping all members of one party as part of a criminal action by one.

Some of her more nuttier and dangerous supporters no doubt threatened the family. All these politicians have nuts supporting them. It's part of human nature, but today due to the thirst for this drama it's played up. Yes, today we tend to blame the entire thing on the politician or their party. The questioning that reality is rather naive, and enables these idiots to continue. They give them cover, and it happens all over the place. You see this all the time. It's sad really. There is no democrat or republican immune from this.

But we don't know for sure that she was threatened. We only have the parents saying that. Where the police notified? I assume the parents are being truthful. There are folks who would do that type of thing.

Families like mini oac do take a risk of this. No doubt her family felt they wouldn't come after a child, but people recently have done it more than once to other kids. Kids are no longer off limits for the most part. They should be, but since dangerous characters are enabled due to the thirst of drama from media sources? It's honestly not safe for anyone to come out into the limelight.

They put their daughter on a stage mocking not just AOC but the children and adults held in detention centers in deplorable conditions. The children are being abused and mistreated and neglected. It is not acceptable. Choosing to mock that very sensitive issue was not wise at all. It shows a real insensitivity, and imho, meanness, toward the migrants. Their aim may have to just mock AOC, but the migrants are tied to it.
 
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The photo with AOC at the fence..

Isn't that the one where when the whole picture was shown it was AOC looking out over a mainly empty parking lot and pretending to cry or be sad..? Ended up being nothing but stupidity?

that is what the pictures of the little girl were intending to make fun of, not the migrants, but AOC herself for doing that in the first place.
 
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The photo with AOC at the fence..

Isn't that the one where when the whole picture was shown it was AOC looking out over a mainly empty parking lot and pretending to cry or be sad..? Ended up being nothing but stupidity?

that is what the pictures of the little girl were intending to make fun of, not the migrants, but AOC herself for doing that in the first place.

No, she was not looking out over a mainly empty parking lot. If you saw the overview of the property from the air, there is parking by the fence, but beyond that parking is the detention center. And it is a detention center where children are being neglected, are being cared for by 8 year olds or older, not adults, and who are lacking clean clothes, diapers, and decent food. It is disgusting!

Is the Inspector General of Homeland Security lying when his report says this:
Confusion at the Border - FactCheck.org

The IG report said it visited five Border Patrol facilities in the Rio Grande Valley Sector in Texas, including border stations in McAllen, Weslaco and Brownsville, and two processing centers. The IG found that the agency is violating its own standards for care.

“During our visits to five Border Patrol facilities and two ports of entry in the Rio Grande Valley, we reviewed compliance with CBP’s Transport, Escort, Detention and Search (TEDS) standards, which govern CBP’s interaction with detained individuals, and observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention of unaccompanied alien children (UACs), families, and single adults that require immediate attention,” the report said.

Contrary to McAleenan’s claim that migrant children are receiving “appropriate meals,” the IG report said: “While all facilities had infant formula, diapers, baby wipes, and juice and snacks for children, we observed that two facilities had not provided children access to hot meals — as is required by the TEDS standards — until the week we arrived. Instead, the children were fed sandwiches and snacks for their meals.”.....​

As for McAleenan’s claim that children had access to “showers as soon as they can be provided,” the IG report found violations of the agency’s own standards.

“For example, children at three of the five Border Patrol facilities we visited had no access to showers, despite the TEDS standards requiring that ‘reasonable efforts’ be made to provide showers to children approaching 48 hours in detention,” the report said. “At these facilities, children had limited access to a change of clothes; Border Patrol had few spare clothes and no laundry facilities.”

The sanitary conditions were even worse for adults — including some who hadn’t had access to a shower for as long as a month.​

Other members of congress visited the same facility as AOC and also said that the drinking fountains on the back of the toilets were not working, and women said they were told to drink from the toilet.
Not acceptable.

Then there is the Trump administration lawyer trying to say that soap and toothbrushes were not required to provide a safe and sanitary environment.



So yeah, intended or not, that picture mocked the migrants. Just because the facility itself was not a few feet from the fence does not mean it was not so far away that it was not visible, or that people like AOC cannot feel compassion and sadness for such treatment.


No death threats should have been given, but the parents should be ashamed of themselves for having their daughter mock what is a bad situation and one that America will regret in time, as it will be a black spot on our history, like the Japanese internment centers.
 
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