‘How hard can that be, saying that Nazis are bad?’ Obama’s anti-Trump speech, annotated

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Nonsense about Antifa... you mean the other group of people who were there in Charlottesville? The people who've been starting fights, attacking people, destroying property over the past 3+ years? The same people who Trump also said had decent people among them? Odd that you're fine with that portion of his comments.

Yep, thanks, good example of the kind of distraction I've been talking about in my past few posts. The weird thing is, given I've pointed out exactly how it is being used why people would still use it. It almost makes me wonder if it is less playing a narrative out to try and spin thing and instead is indicative of some more deep-seated beliefs.
 
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Yep, thanks, good example of the kind of distraction I've been talking about in my past few posts. The weird thing is, given I've pointed out exactly how it is being used why people would still use it. It almost makes me wonder if it is less playing a narrative out to try and spin thing and instead is indicative of some more deep-seated beliefs.

They are being ignorant on purpose; lots of role-players.
 
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Yep, thanks, good example of the kind of distraction I've been talking about in my past few posts.
If someone pointing out the truth of what the president actually said is a distraction then that speaks volumes about you.

The weird thing is, given I've pointed out exactly how it is being used why people would still use it.
Is it really weird to you that people disagree with your selective memory of what the president said? You do realize that you aren't any sort of authority of this right?

It almost makes me wonder if it is less playing a narrative out to try and spin thing and instead is indicative of some more deep-seated beliefs.
LOL Oh yes, I'm sure everybody who disagrees with you holds whatever "deep-seated beliefs" you're going to feel the need to project on them. It's better than coming up with an actual argument right?
 
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Clearly Obama's presence has been felt through his heads of FBI from day one of Trump's presidency. He can say whatever, but his loyalists in the FBI are revealed more and more by their intentions, including a 'media leaking strategy' and using Carter Page as a "fall guy" because he was not one of them there there.
 
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If someone pointing out the truth of what the president actually said is a distraction then that speaks volumes about you.

Bringing up Obama, Muslims, BLM, Clinton, and so on are pointing out the truth of what the president said? In what way?
 
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Bringing up Obama, Muslims, BLM, Clinton, and so on are pointing out the truth of what the president said? In what way?
That quote that you and your fellow travelers like to drag out when it comes to Trump.

"You have some good people on both sides." Both sides, in this case, being the white nationalist and Antifa.

Oddly enough it's the outrage over claiming that one had "good people" that gets your goat and not the other.
 
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That quote that you and your fellow travelers like to drag out when it comes to Trump.

"You have some good people on both sides." Both sides, in this case, being the white nationalist and Antifa.

No, it is KKK, Nazi and other white supremacists groups on one side and on the other is the people who opposed them. He never mentioned the Antifa boogie-man, probably because that excuse hadn't yet been invented.
 
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No, it is KKK, Nazi and other white supremacists groups on one side and on the other is the people who opposed them. He never mentioned the Antifa boogie-man, probably because that excuse hadn't yet been invented.
The "Antifa boogie-man" hadn't been invented in 2017? You know that Antifa is over 100 years old right?

You must be one of those Fox News viewers I keep reading about who are clueless about the state of things politically.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-charlottesville-what-is-antifa-20170816-story.html

Members of the "antifa" movement were among those protesting the Charlottesville rally last weekend.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/19782/group-got-ignored-charlottesville-ben-shapiro

In Charlottesville, Antifa engaged in street violence with the alt-right racists. As in Weimar, Germany, fascists flying the swastika engaged in hand-to-hand combat with Antifa members flying the communist red. And yet, the media declared that any negative coverage granted to Antifa would detract from the obvious evils of the alt-right. Sheryl Gay Stolberg of The New York Times tweeted in the midst of the violence, "The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park." After receiving blowback from the left, Stolberg then corrected herself. She said: "Rethinking this. Should have said violent, not hate-filled. They were standing up to hate."

Honestly, start looking to get your news from somewhere else than Fox News.
 
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The "Antifa boogie-man" hadn't been invented in 2017? You know that Antifa is over 100 years old right?

No, but then again I'm not obsessed with them. I'm focused on bigger issues, like white supremacists killing US citizens who are peacefully protesting against them.

You must be one of those Fox News viewers I keep reading about who are clueless about the state of things politically.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-charlottesville-what-is-antifa-20170816-story.html



https://www.dailywire.com/news/19782/group-got-ignored-charlottesville-ben-shapiro



Honestly, start looking to get your news from somewhere else than Fox News.

LOL

Anyway, none of this in any way backs up the idea that the only two groups in Charlottesville were white supremacists and Antifa. Nor does it explain why it is so hard to say that the former are bad people. Seems to be a pattern here - attempt to change topics to anything but the actual topic of this thread.
 
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I have to chuckle at the misinformation here.
In the first place, Nazi is an abbreviation of the German word for The German Worker's Socialist Party, a far left fascist group, very much like ANTIFA.
Secondly, I heard Trump's words. He said there were good people on BOTH sides. And actually ANTIFA is far more violent and causes more trouble and damage than that little neo-Nazi group ever did.
 
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I have to chuckle at the misinformation here.
In the first place, Nazi is an abbreviation of the German word for The German Worker's Socialist Party, a far left fascist group, very much like ANTIFA.


Minus the whole holocaust thing, but I guess we're supposed to ignore that now to score political points.

Secondly, I heard Trump's words. He said there were good people on BOTH sides. And actually ANTIFA is far more violent and causes more trouble and damage than that little neo-Nazi group ever did.

Even if we ignore the fact that a neo-Nazi drove his car through a group of peaceful protesters this rings pretty hollow.

Kinda weird how many facts have to be ignored for this post to make any sense.
 
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No, but then again I'm not obsessed with them.
Or the least bit knowledgeable about them.
I'm focused on bigger issues, like white supremacists killing US citizens who are peacefully protesting against them.
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that you ignore the violence coming from the left. The left thought that when it was groups of leftists chasing down Trump supporters and assaulting them it was funny, when it was Antifa beating people with unconscious with pipes it was, "but they are trump supporters!" when someone on your side gets hit by a car it's, "Oh no it's violence!" You ignore the violence you support.



LOL

Anyway, none of this in any way backs up the idea that the only two groups in Charlottesville were white supremacists and Antifa.
Which is an idea you just magically pulled from thin air that I've never claimed.
Nor does it explain why it is so hard to say that the former are bad people. Seems to be a pattern here - attempt to change topics to anything but the actual topic of this thread.
The topic is the presidents comments about the Charlottesville protests. It's what I've been talking about, what have you been talking about?
 
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Minus the whole holocaust thing, but I guess we're supposed to ignore that now to score political points.
Antifa are communist and regularly carry the Soviet flag. Want to compare body count when it comes to the Soviets and the Nazis?

Kinda weird how many facts have to be ignored for this post to make any sense.
You finally have a moment of clarity.
He never mentioned the Antifa boogie-man, probably because that excuse hadn't yet been invented.
 
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Are we going to pretend that antifa isn't involved with this!?
No, obviously RNC talking points bring them up over and over and over and over rather than alienating part of Trump's base by agreeing that yes, Nazis and other white supremacist groups are bad.
 
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Or the least bit knowledgeable about them. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that you ignore the violence coming from the left.

What's more interesting is why you and others think they're the most important thing to talk about in a thread about certain people's difficulties in saying that white supremacists are bad.
 
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Antifa are communist and regularly carry the Soviet flag. Want to compare body count when it comes to the Soviets and the Nazis?


You finally have a moment of clarity.

Want to compare the body count of Nazis versus antifa?

Oddly enough it's the outrage over claiming that one had "good people" that gets your goat and not the other.

It would seem to me that identifying as a Nazi precludes you from any chance of being considered a "good person".
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No, obviously RNC talking points bring them up over and over and over and over rather than alienating part of Trump's base by agreeing that yes, Nazis and other white supremacist groups are bad.
Oh, so you've finally come to the conclusion that they were actually there?
 
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