‘Islamic State’ in Iraq orders genital mutilation of all women

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Maybe Saddam wasn't so bad after all. Is this to be Obama's legacy of the US's involvement in Iraq?

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"GENEVA - Jihadists in Iraq have ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 must undergo female genital mutilation, which could affect up to four million women and girls in the war-ravaged country, a UN official said Thursday."
 

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While ISIS is an absolutely horrendous organization, there's a decent chance that this news story is based on a hoax. Female genital mutilation is relatively rare in the Middle East, with most countries with a high rate of FGM (other than Egypt) located in the African Sahel or Sub-Saharan regions along the eastern coast. It's possible that ISIS could just be denying the story for their own benefit, but they aren't exactly known for backing off of their principals, as heinous as they might be, in exchange for good publicity.
 
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Maybe Saddam wasn't so bad after all. Is this to be Obama's legacy of the US's involvement in Iraq?

.:Middle East Online:::.

"GENEVA - Jihadists in Iraq have ordered that all women between the ages of 11 and 46 must undergo female genital mutilation, which could affect up to four million women and girls in the war-ravaged country, a UN official said Thursday."

Yeah, I remember when we invaded Iraq back in 2003 under President Obama. He's so popular he's on his fourth term now.
 
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I don't believe the story. The practice of female genital mutilation is cultural, not Islamic. Some Muslims in Africa practice it but this is not based on Islamic law or anything. ISIS is an extremely fundamental group just like the people in Saudi Arabia but they do not practice this.
 
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Strathos said:
Yeah, I remember when we invaded Iraq back in 2003 under President Obama. He's so popular he's on his fourth term now.
If he's so popular, why did he change his name? And his skin colour?
 
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football5680 said:
I don't believe the story. The practice of female genital mutilation is cultural, not Islamic. Some Muslims in Africa practice it but this is not based on Islamic law or anything. ISIS is an extremely fundamental group just like the people in Saudi Arabia but they do not practice this.
My first thoughts as well.

Why would Arabs import an African practice?
 
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The report came from a UN leader in Iraq. I guess she could be lying.

Obama left Iraq in a mess and that mess seems to be getting worse. Do you doubt ISIS is taking over the country and executing people who disagree with them too? Maybe that is also a hoax and what is really going on in Iraq is paradise.
 
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The report came from a UN leader in Iraq. I guess she could be lying.

More likely, she could be wrong. She received information on the fatwah from the same source that everyone else did. That source has been cast into significant doubt.

People in the region hate ISIS. I understand why, obviously. ISIS is terrible. Beyond that, they're detonating and bulldozing Muslim holy sites that the people of Mosul have considered sacred for centuries. There's a possibility that they're encouraging female genital mutilation, but it would be an odd addition to their modus operandi if they were, and it would be odd for them to deny that they did it (ISIS is known for claiming their war crimes). If the documents associated with the fatwah appear to be forged in an attempt to discredit the group and possibly obtain UN assistance, there's a good chance that they are. If I were living under ISIS and I felt like forging a document would hurt them in some small way, that course of action would have a significant draw to it regardless of the danger.

Obama left Iraq in a mess and that mess seems to be getting worse. Do you doubt ISIS is taking over the country and executing people who disagree with them too? Maybe that is also a hoax and what is really going on in Iraq is paradise.
Obama left Iraq in a mess because we had to leave Iraq at some point, and whenever we did that, it was probably going to be a mess. Invading a country is not clean. You cannot just swoop in and replace dictatorship with democracy. The military option is tempting when you have the most advanced military in the world, but you can't start looking at every problem as a nail just because you have a nice hammer. We invaded Iraq, and we drove the nail in crooked. Removing our troops was just the acceptance of the tragic fact that further hammering will not make a crooked nail straight again.
 
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Obama left Iraq in a mess because we had to leave Iraq at some point, and whenever we did that, it was probably going to be a mess. Invading a country is not clean. You cannot just swoop in and replace dictatorship with democracy. The military option is tempting when you have the most advanced military in the world, but you can't start looking at every problem as a nail just because you have a nice hammer. We invaded Iraq, and we drove the nail in crooked. Removing our troops was just the acceptance of the tragic fact that further hammering will not make a crooked nail straight again.

Nonsense, we did just that very thing in Japan by deposing their Emperor and rebuilding their country from the ground up. We used half measures in Iraq and left people like these hardened commandos to protect the country when we left. It was set up to fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrrzNbRp1Y0
 
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Nonsense, we did just that very thing in Japan by deposing their Emperor and rebuilding their country from the ground up.

There were some fundamental differences between Japan and Iraq. For one thing, Japan didn't have so many underlying social issues. Japan had a sense of national unity that survived World War II. It's one of the oldest coherent civilizations on Earth. Iraq, on the other hand, is just a state cut from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire and cobbled together from a lot of groups who don't like each other. For another, Japan did not have the levels of religious extremism seen in Iraq. What worked in Japan would not necessarily have worked in Iraq. Invading Japan was still a messy business. We basically bombed the country to oblivion, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, and not just in the two obvious cases. Still, the state in Japan wasn't a spiderweb of twisting columns and wires built on shifting sand like the state in Iraq.

We used half measures in Iraq and left people like these hardened commandos to protect the country when we left.
So, how long were we supposed to be there, if close to a decade wasn't enough? We've been in Afghanistan for over a decade, and if we were to leave, the government would almost certainly fall within a few years. These countries will probably take half a century or more to rebuild, and there's no guarantee that we're going to like what takes their place.
 
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Iraq was never a country as such.....it's a series of lines drawn on a map, which have meant little to the tribal/ethnic groups that have occupied the region for thousands of years and for whom the concept of 'national unity' is a foreign term...Saddam was a cruel thug, just as was Tito in Yugoslavia and the Politburo in the old USSR....they held their various nations together through brute force and what we are witnessing now in Iraq is pretty much the same outcome as in any of those other regimes when you remove the tyrant...
 
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Maybe Saddam wasn't so bad after all. Is this to be Obama's legacy of the US's involvement in Iraq?

Maybe you missed it, but it was Bush that ordered invading Iraq. Not Obama.

Saddam actually predicted this would happen in an open message to the west when he realised that his days were numbered.

Don't remember his exact words, but it basically came down to the people there being sleeping monsters that were only being kept asleep by dictators who rule with an iron fist much like himself. Disposing of him and installing "democracy" would only result in civil war which would be won by radical islam.

It seems he was right on the money.
 
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And yet many western countries regularly mutilate their baby boys' genitals for equally dumb reasons.

We are not so different from ISIS in that respect.

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