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Yeah I think those things are potentially true - what I'm not convinced is that those changes make huge impact. Noone stays in power for ever - and I think we are held roughly over a central line of status quo - the more moderate the party the smaller the departure - each government leads us...

See the thing is, ALL parties are full of it. The Tories no less than any other party. The sounds they make and what they say about themselves may align more where where your heart and your morals pull you - but what they deliver doesn't begin to match up with any of that. They've given their...

The thing is corbyn probably is unelectable, in the same way Kinnock was. We prefer bland Teflon coated politicians who stand for nothing. In terms of disarmament, British nuclear disarmament would have had a zero net effect on the world.

Yeah they are, although not the only factors. I guess I watched that unfold and saw the party I had campaigned for based on ideology sell that out for a shot at power, and I also saw another party which deserted its traditional stance on a lot of things to get into power. More and more I think...

No I was thinking 'our' in terms of what position Christians should be moving towards and striving towards. I guess what I'm thinking is that there is a ongoing culture of fear in our international relations. For the latter half of the 20 th century we were afraid of the communists and much was...

Hey - it's been a wee while since I've been at all active on these boards, I used to hang out here a lot. I wanted to share a few thoughts that have been growing in me over the past several years, I'd love to hear input from others. I am interested in the political process and how we engage...

Ah well where is the fun in chatting with someone who thinks all the same stuff as you do - what do you learn? No, I agree that unity and cultural identity can be rich and utterly positive, it is as you say when the people who stand outside that unity or identity for whatever reason are...

Boo :D Long time no see Mindlight - Good to see at least one familiar face on the board. Think this is a great question. I think what is interesting about the example of early America - is that you are absolutely right about there being nothing intrinsically criminal about the different race...

You've jumped in part of the way through the discussion and not really understood the conversation. If you go back through and read the whole exchange you'll see it is not the distinction between giving and taxation that is being questioned, but the circumstances where either is appropriate...

Like you I am finding it difficult to get a decent amount of time to give this kind of stuff proper thought and reply properly, got a lot on at the moment, but I don't mind working at a slower pace if you don't - gives more time for reflection in between. Yes I can agree with that - and this...

I just wanted to chime in here - because this is something I'm really interested in. I am totally pro choice, but also feel like abortions are utterly horrible - for everyone involved and not least the mother who has to make that horrendous choice. My preference has always been in looking at how...

Yeah I think that's a pretty narrow definition. It doesn't take into account ability to pay, or who sets the costs of services. The government is just a tool most people have forgotten to use, or never knew how to use in the first place. It's actually a pretty efficient tool if used correctly...

All of that really comes down to how you define fair share. And how you you view your responsibility to those round about you. People who have a very individualistic outlook will obviously differ from those who have a more community based outlook. I think what you are describing sounds...

Hey this conversation kind of halted because I had a lot on. But been thinking about what you said. thought I'd have a go at replying. Yeah I'm not really sure how that works. Cos taking it to its logical conclusion, then you could just please yourself for the rest of your life and you'd be...

God has placed an obligation to us to care for the poor. I think it interesting that you go straight to the criticism and judgement from poor people towards the few Christians who have a different attitude towards the poor. Is this something you have encountered? I agree with that 100%. Not...

Let's take the welfare state out of this - I'm not talking about politics now. I am talking about the obligation to the poor - however that is lived out. How you choose to interact with your obligation is up to the individual, although you have already stated that you consider some aspects of...

I've used the efficiency argument too - purely from a practical point of view money talks the loudest to some people, and appealing to compassion is a waste of time. If the US spent twice per head on a national health system they would still have enough left over from their current spend to foot...

I'm not arguing with that - I just said it was not the prevailing view. I'm sick of the argument on homosexuality, it just goes round and round. Theres no point to continuing. There must have been a similiar thing when the church revised its position on slavery, or during the reformation. In any...

I'm not in disagreement with that. I just think we do a disservice to people when we present it as a simple option. Coming to faith is a journey and it's not just about choosing one thing or the other. It strikes me that it is often a similar thing to the impulse to free yourself from addiction...

Yeah I'm not sure where the socialism lies in that. I don't know of any mainstream party which would promote any other message other than one of tolerance towards homosexuality and I know that you have some disappointment with Cameron on this front. I think that is less political and more about...