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Thank you for you good representation of the class election view. My questions were given as a natural response to the class election view. So, since you seem to hold this view could you please answer my questions? So are you saying God does not know how is in...

Nice post!:thumbsup:

Way to miss the question!!!!:thumbsup:

Van did you miss my last post?

You say that Jon 3 is not primarily about salvation, yet your explanation of its meaning is purely salvific. Can you please explain this discrepancy?

So are you saying God does not know how is in and who is not in Christ? And if he does know who is in Christ and who is out of Christ, when did he know this? Before creation? When?:thumbsup:

Praise be to God alone!!!:thumbsup:

Very helpful, thanks!:thumbsup:

That is a good way to put it.:thumbsup:

NICE!! About time people start putting these guys feet to the fire. I like it!!!!:thumbsup:

I did this weeks ago with these guys. No matter how you say it or how clear the Bible is the nature mind does not like the things of God. I hated the fact that God choice me for a LONG TIME! :thumbsup:

I find it funny that you say this because this is the samething I think about non-Calvinists. Ben Johnson is a GREAT example of this. :thumbsup:

This is by FAR the most bold and arrogant statement I have read here on the forum. I will not stoop to you leave and will not continue to talk to someone how treats their brothers and sisters in Christ with such a lack of respect. I would suggest repentance!:thumbsup:

:confused:I have no idea what you are saying???? :confused: The verse says "in him," because we were chosen to be in Christ. God's election is not a naked election....it is an ellection to be in Christ. :thumbsup:

I see no difference in your two renderings of Ephesians 1:4. One says Christ and one says him. The him is Christ. I am lost????:confused: Please Help! :thumbsup:

I do not understand way 1 Peter 2:9-10 should trump Ephesians 1:4???? Why do we not understand the CLEAR passage “chose us in him before the foundation of the world.” You are say the exact opposite of this passage. I do not understand how you can say something that is the exact opposite of a...

This is a CLEAR case of seeing a passage in the way we want. Truthminer said He said it is okay to call ourselves “Christians.” Another way to say that is he said to call ourselves of Christ. BUT the verse that you are referring to says 1 Corinthians 1:11-13, “For it has been reported to...

Why should we not claim to be a Calvinist or an Arminian?:thumbsup:

Or we could do it right here.:thumbsup: