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(WEB) and through him to reconcile all things to himself, by him, whether things on the earth, or things in the heavens, having made peace through the blood of his cross. (WNT) And God purposed through Him to reconcile the universe to Himself, making peace through His blood, which was shed...

But salvation only for only a predestined few, impossible. 1Ti 4:10 for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men--especially of those believing (YLT)

ok what you think?

Here's a question: Calvinists attack the fundemental idea of the arminianists that God loves everyone. Arminiansts is this not heresy? They are destroying your view of God Arminiansts attack Gods Soverenty, Calvinists is this not heresy?

Hey, i believe you are a happy person. I just don't think that many people were created to be damned is a very positive doctrine, actually i think its darn right depressive

Yer well, i felt like picking a fight plus Calvinism is so negative, and im just a positive person

But you are still saying it is our belief that saves us. here's my twist. Through the cross Jesus saved everyone, he came to save everyone and that is what he did. Our 'conversion' was on the cross. When Jesus died all humans died. When Jesus rose he bough all with him too. Justification is a...

It is Gods love in action and Gods judgement you want that one too? Gods judgement is God saying 'What the blazers are you doing there? That is not what i have created you for, not where i want you to be, come here, it is better her i want you here, MY JUDGEMENT IS THAT YOU SHOULD BE WITH ME!'...

Do believe in hell and wrath, but not the hell and wrath taught by many because it is more founded in greek and pagan philosphy than on the bible

What are they picking and choosing then. Have you ever considered that you are picking and choosing. That you are choosing to believe a pagan myth, based more on greek philosphy and dante's 'inferno' than on biblical truth?

have you ever looked at the word punishment in its original meaning? It means correction. no its no man trying to get his head around something beyond him, it is the tradition christian view of hell, which is pagan, being rejected

If you have read the thread properly you would see how meaningless your comment is. You are the one picking and choosing

:amen:

I have failed to see any true arminian response. Do they not have one? Romans 9, remember OP

Jud 1:7 So also Sodom and Gomorrah--and the neighboring towns in the same manner--having been guilty of gross fornication and having gone astray in pursuit of unnatural vice, are now before us as a specimen of the fire of the Ages in the punishment which they are undergoing. Jud 1:7 as Sodom...

Sorry is word doesn't disagree with you, only when it is taken out of context does it. Do you realise that Jesus never mentioned hell? And if you want to say he did i will argue the mistranslation into English of that verse

Your point?

Actually i think its both. Jesus saved all, and now gives it to us as a free gift. We can choice to accept or reject this gift but he has still given it to us.

Actually i think the word used for somethings in heavean in the greek, saying it is eternal, is an entirely differnet word from the word ainon which means age. If your saying eternal life. Then i also say it means age long life or ages long life, but we will never die because by this stage...

It's not pointless its beautiful. A God that dies for those that believe, i guess we could call this adequete A God that dies for all, this is truely beautiful