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Umm, this is were your wrong M8. I lost my faith because I found the truth. If facts tell me that the earth goes around the sun and my faith tells me that everything centres on the earth and truth proves that the earth goes around the sun, then I obviously will loose my faith. This is...

This is what the book of Daniel implys, yes, and yes, Daniel lived in Babylon but the book of Daniel, that he didn’t write, is widely believed by scholars and historians, to be written in epiphanies time, with Hindsight of all that came before. This is common with ancient Jewish...

Barraco, Do you realy believe that the scriptures you are presenting me are in context with the issues I have mentioned??? Honestly M8, Do you honestly believe these scriptures mean these things your claiming?

I would have thaught the value would have been in the ability for the bible to have forsight and see mans progress through time. I have read the Bible many times and many times believed it's forcasts but these days, it has become obvious that the bible lacks the ability to pradict anything in...

I see what you’re saying Vin and agree to a certain extent. I agree that others use single verses to build apocalyptic views but I also see those who link scripture together can still fall into the same errors. For example; It appears that Jesus himself had done this very thing? He has...

Hmmm, does revelations predict the future???? Did it predict global warming? Did it predict electricity? Transport? Huge Cities all over the earth? Landing on the moon? Population booms? Any type of Technology at all? Pollution Problems? Communication? America...

I would be willing to agree with you 100% Littleflower. My point is that we all wear our own rosy colour glasses to interpret History and the Bible and you definatly do not have a monopoly on understanding these things in there original context littleflower, even if you think you do;) I...

Littleflower has her own views on History Barraco :thumbsup: I to would love to hear some of your historical views Littleflower. You have twice told me and now Barraco that our history is inacurate and i disagree with you. Can you show us some of your own historical views so we can see why...

I would luv to see more proof on this. Do you have a link for this? First, I no longer believe the bible is the word of god. Second, its writings are very clear. There isn’t anything hard to understand about the bible. That doesn’t mean it is believable. This is clearly Greek mythology...

Speculate one thing for me in all this…:preach: You said, “Christ will come again”. In Jesus time, the Jews where waiting for “Elijah” to return. He was taken up into heaven and never died. Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah returned, so, In light of this, how will Jesus return...

Little flower, do you have any literal evidence that Jesus is alive? Did he appear to you physically and prove he was Jesus resurrected or are you just assuming this because of a lifetime of Christian theology and religious commitment to Jesus as gods son?? The whole Roman Empire saw Augustus...

OK, hear is a major disagreement between us. You are right. I see an apocalyptic Jew, “Jesus”, birthed Christianity through apocalyptic Judaism. From that day forward, Christianity has been obsessed with apocalyptic beliefs. Apocalyptic beliefs are not just futuristic beliefs but are also...

G'day Littleflower:wave:, I tried to PM this to you but your PM Folder is full. Just letting you know that I have read your reply's in my thread and am getting back to you on those issues asap although it could still be another 24 hours before i get the chance to...

I luv what you had to say thereselittleflower. You seem to be saying that I am right but not right?? I get this impression because what you origonaly quoted, I am actually 100% in agreement with. Infact it is saying the same thing as my original post, except it comes from a more...

OK, How is this deep?? The only depth hear for me is in grasping the reality of this?? Lets look at this logically shall we!! "Jesus loves me, this I know." Umm, Historically, Jesus was a Jew who lived 2000 yrs ago and doesn't even know I am alive let alone love me. I suppose I could...

Covenant Heart, I enjoyed reading what you wrote and agree with almost all of what you said. My look is at the whole prophetic and apocalyptic mess, not just revelations. I have read revelations many times and like most people, have my own ideas on it. Most of what you said is the same as I...

Ahh, Right you are!! I was thinking of what Paul said in Romans and thought you meant this scripture. Romans 11 25For I would not, brethren that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the...

Vin, This is what you believe. I wonder if there is any Christians hear that totally agree with you? Can we get a second on this theology ;) I am shore others have believed as you do, that these prophecies are at hand. The problem with this is that these people probably lived in the first...

As a Christian who has faith in god, how can I reconcile these apocalyptic myths within my own religion of Christianity when as you can see below, I don’t bye it at all. I am a Christian and I don’t believe one single word of these myths you guys seem so confident about. Am I not a Christian...

One book not mentioned yet and probably the most influential book that not only influenced the early church fathers but also influenced Jesus and the Apostles teachings. This book was written by apocalyptic Jews around 200 BCE and is called “The Book Of Enoch” (TBOE). Considering Jesus was an...